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I'm research and special collections manager here at the Los Angeles Public Library Central Library and it is March 19th, 2024. And I'm here with Lydia Otero for our very first archival oral history interview. Lydia R. Otero is the donor of the Lydia R. Otero archive, Los Angeles Public Library is the proud home of this archive. And we've invited Lydia here to share a little bit about, why she donated the archive to LAPL. So Lydia, tell us a little bit about yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3.04,37.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was born and raised in Tucson. I'm, this is the last year of my 60s. I'm gonna be seventy next year. So it's one of those years that I feel like, like, I'm waiting for some sort of transition. Don't know what it is. So it's... I'm paying attention this year, to see what how life is gonna change once I enter my seventies. And probably from my experience of other deck... of turning fifty, turning sixty, it's not gonna change much, but still it's a big moment for me. So, Is there a lot more to remember? Yes. That's a big difference because ever, you know, I said, well, did we get the more we have to to to remember? So the first thing I wanna tell you is about, where I was born and the year I was born, and I was born in 1955 on February 14th, 1955. And, I know that people get excited when they hear that someone was born on Valentine's Day, but for me, it was terrible. For my mother, it was exciting because she had a little girl and she thought about it and she told me about it. When I had you, I knew that I was gonna treat you like a little doll and dress you in dresses. And make little clothes for you and make you look like a little doll. And, it turns out that as soon as I had consciousness, I was I realized I was queer, and I hated wearing dresses, and I hated wearing lacy things. And I hated Valentine's cakes in the shape of Valentine's. I just, so I came to dread my birthday. The only thing that made me dig my birthday and get into it was that I was born in Arizona and Arizona's birthday is on February 14th. And I think that also that coincidence in birth encouraged me to be interested in history. But I think that I was more interested in, in trying to belong somewhere. And I always, knowing, like, at the young, young age that I was queer, I was always looking for those spaces of, those social spaces of not standing out or... Or trying to get joy from these spaces without comments of, like, \"Oh, your hair looks messy. Oh, you should have worn a dress for this.\" Or those kinds of comments. But history was one of those spaces and reading was one of those spaces where I could totally indulge and be myself. There was no external comments about who I was. And, I think that's one of the reasons that later, I became, you know, professionally, I got a PhD in history. Now, I've had a lot of careers along the way I wanna tell you about them. None of them seem to make sense in terms of working into the next one, but I I think that I've had time since I'm turning seventy to look back and say, yeah, that makes sense. But to others, it may seem like a totally unusual career move. And, the \"r\" in my initial, my mother's maiden name was Cruz Robles. And so when she got together with my father, it became Cruz Otero. And I keep the \"r\" because I was raised by my mother's family, and she was a Robles. So that Robles family was very close to me, so that's why I keep the \"r\" when I when I when I write and as a more professional, in my professional name. I just wanna remember that side of the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=38.61,257.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us a little bit more about the Robles family, growing up in Tucson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=258.175,262.515"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure. So we were working class folks. Sometimes even working class sounds like it's a, I'm elevating the status of the people I was raised around. My mother was, attended school up to seventh grade, my father up to this sixth grade. And, so they didn't have formal education, but they were very informed individuals. Then my mother was, always was reading, my father too. They, as limited as our income one was, at that time, getting the daily newspaper was a big deal. I say that because young people, the last thing they want nowadays in 2024 is a newspaper. We would wanna read a newspaper every day, but that was a way to stay connected, especially when, in the fifties, we didn't get a television till about 1961, '62. So the newspaper was the way to stay, for them to read the local news and stay connected with what was happening in the global news. So they both always had things to say and talk about what they read in the newspaper. So this environment, I think, was conducive to me being curious. On the other hand, I always wanted, them to buy a set of encyclopedias, but we could never afford them. And, people, if anybody's listening to this podcast. Because I've met people my age and they're like, \"Oh, we had a set of encyclopedias. I didn't even think of reading them.\" And I'm like, \"Wow, that would have been my dream to have a set of encyclopedias.\" And that's why libraries were so important to me too because we didn't have money to buy books. Like, we took that contract with the library very seriously. And my mother and I, would visit our central library all the time, weekly. And, my mother and I visited this library. During the summers, I would spend, my summers with my mother sisters, Armida and Elodia. And her niña or her aunt, my Tia Christina. And, when we had some time, we'd go to the Grand Central Market to buy fruits and stuff to help out, because we stayed with my aunt. To help out, because my mother typically made dinner on the days that she was here with us, and we would sneak off and come to this library. So. But, I must say that in my family growing, back to the original question about my family growing up. It was very tight knit. My mother had many sisters. I think, oh, my forgetting is it six or seven sisters, and they were always together until some of them left for Los Angeles, and then we were missing some. But so that's why the connection was so strong between Tucson and Los Angeles. My father's family, we didn't, we weren't close to. My father was very removed. He was in World War II. He's considered a war hero. And, I have documents confirming he was a war hero. He wouldn't talk about his, his time there. And asked, but I think that I didn't recognize then, what I recognize now is that a war is a very traumatic for individuals who lived through it and who who survived it. And, and so by the time I came along, in 1955, he was not who he was before he left for the war, certainly. And, he also had, got tuberculosis around the time that I was born. And, he spent a lot of time in convalescent homes, so I didn't see him as much. And it turns out in 19, I wanna say '62, when I was seven, I too got tuberculosis. And I had to take these deadly, daily medications and go take, these x rays, but I was able to beat it, because I was younger, whereas he and his issues with alcohol didn't help. But, you know, so he died in in '72 or '71 when I was in high school. So I don't have a lot of active memories with my father other than he took me to the circus. And which was fun, and that, he took me sometimes to his, VFW post. Where he bartended, and he shouldn't have been bartending. But I'm one of those kids that spent too much of their youth in bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=263.375,560.625"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e In your memoir, \"In the Shadows of the Freeway,\" you discussed the racism inherent in the educational system for people of color and how the system worked to Americanize indigenous students. What was your experience in the Arizona school system?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=563.74,578.345"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I must say that, I was one of those people who and one of those children who realized at a young age that the system was not going to, was not built for people like me, for students that looked like me and who came from my background. So as you mentioned, I was put into the 1C program in Tucson. I was never tested, in terms of my language proficiency. So, my parents, both of my parents were born and raised in Tucson, two parents born and raised in Tucson. So they they could read and write in English. And, my grandmother, my grandparents, on the other hand, I don't know their proficiency levels. But I know my grandmother couldn't, was raised in Tucson without, learning English. Which I thought was kind of interesting even in my lifetime that she, I'd have to translate for her. But and it was like, \"Oh, she born in Mexico?\" And I'm like, \"Well, no. She was born in Tucson, but she never learned English.\" Which was an interesting story. Maybe I should have, like, if I write about her, I'll talk about that more. But because the freeway had been built near our house, it changed the school boundaries, and I was sent to a school two miles away. And my mother, at some point, was happy about a bus, \"You get to ride on the bus.\" And I'm like, \"Okay. A bus sounds cool.\" But, I, what they did was they took the working class Brown students and put us all in a class under the guise of teaching us how to speak English, but we were all English speakers. So, and this was when I entered, elementary school, which would have been in 1961. And, so we were separated. We we were in a system that just didn't have high expectations of us or any expectations of us. We were just serving time at that, in that classroom, by... In a place where, the teacher was, not very patient. She was not from Tucson. I don't know if she was accustomed to teaching Mexican-American students, but what she did have was a propensity to inflict violence on children. So our classroom was not only, like, was it terrifying to be in our classroom, but other teachers at the school who had unruly students would bring their students into our class and our teacher would paddled that student in front of us. So it was like we were, like, had to witness that on a daily basis. And, I don't know if that was intentional. I've never really thought about it. I like to think that it wasn't intentional, but we were the 1C class. So there had to be some sort of motivation or intent in making that the the stage for corporal punishment in our classroom. But I remember being in that class and just behaving, being, thinking that I just had to serve time in it and escape. But even in that class, I never lost, and this could have happened, and I think it happened to a lot of people, but didn't happen to me. I didn't, it didn't stifle my curiosity, and I'm thankful for that. I was afraid in that class, but it didn't stifle my curiosity for learning. And I think that that's important. But I think that my mother picked up on that too. She had very little, hope that the educational system was, going to change our lives. She, as I said, didn't, just attended school to the seventh grade, and my older brothers and sisters two of them dropped out of high school. And, no, three of them dropped out of high school. Never got a high school diploma, and she didn't pressure them to do that. I mean, my brother that's seven years older than me was the first one to graduate high school. And he did it because he wanted to go into, as crazy as it start, sounds because it was the mid sixties, he wanted to go into the navy and serve in Vietnam War. So he saw that as a goal. She said that as a goal. But my mother never said, \"Hey, you gotta be be good at school. You've gotta, like, please your teachers.\" I think that she, this racism she experienced in her own personal life and collectively when we were together, because I look a lot like her, we're both very brown. She was protective of me, but she wasn't, and that's why I appreciate her taking me and exposing me to other venues of learning like being very invested in libraries, taking time to, let sit down and look through some books while I took my time picking out which books I was gonna take home. Reading with me on Saturdays and weekends, and just like having, turning the television off and just sitting around reading. So that love of reading, I think, is very, I inspired by the care. And parents are supposed to do that, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=579.54,913.691"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=913.73,914.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And parents are also supposed to, I mean, so my mother was born 1913. But my mother was from another generation. I know, \"In the Shadows of the Freeway,\" my first memoir, I outlined how it was hard for her to have a gender non-conforming kid. What do you do? I mean, it was, I'm sure that I was not the first one out there. I know she knew there were others out there, but I was her kid. And she was responsible for me. So sometimes what she did was to try to suppress it. Forcing me into dresses, forcing me to dress, making it seem like I had no other choice. And I didn't have another choice because the school district I attended mandated that girls wear dresses to school and boys wear pants. So those were the two categories. Men, boys, girls. You had to fit one. And there was no ambiguity around it. And, so I had to wear a dress to school every day. And until, and that was oppressive to me. That wasn't my mother's mandate, but she knew that I that, I that was the rules. But it was, I mean, she did what she could do with with me, but she couldn't change the way I was. And think she came to that realization later on in my life, that she wasn't gonna change me. But if I wasn't gonna change, I think that she knew that I couldn't stay in Tuscon too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=914.45,1005.385"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. In","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1005.685,1005.925"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e the book, there's a conversation where she has with me and she tells me, \"Well, you know, if you're gonna be that way.\" And I think I'm, say, I wanna say 13, 14. She said, \"If you're going to be that way, you have to leave.\" I used to see that as a I used to feel bad and hurt by that conversation, like, unloved and wanted. Now I see it and I reflect back on it and I see it. There was, there was some love in that conversation because if she wanted me to survive and make it and be myself. And I wouldn't say make it. She wanted me to survive and be in a place that accepted me. She knew that Tucson was not that place. So it was that statement was also coming from a place of caring about my future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1005.925,1047.175"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1047.315,1047.714"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e very young in life, because I spent my summers in Los Angeles. Very early on, I knew that LA was the place, that I had more opportunities, certainly, but I could see queers around. I could see him on the bus. I would see them at Grand Central Market. I could see more people that had, that were living that life, so I knew it was the place for me. Plus, I had my tía's here. So it was familiar, but then it was exciting. So later on after, I go to college and bomb in college. I move to Los Angeles because it was a because I had witnessed that as a child. And I knew LA too. It felt familiar to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1047.714,1091.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That must have been so exhilarating for you to move to Los Angeles. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1092.775,1096.055"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e was. Tell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1096.055,1096.695"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e us a little bit about your feelings and how you how you felt just exploring and discovering yourself in this new space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1096.695,1104.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I had explored as a child, right? We went to, Pike Peak. We Pike's Peak. We, we would, go to Santa Monica beach a lot. And, the drive was like, wow. And even the greenery on the freeway coming from a desert place, and Tucson was like, wow, it's green. But, so there was it was certainly more excitement, things to do. Because what I failed to say is that in my childhood home, the freeway was built in the fifties and it separated our house. It decimated our barrio and our neighborhood but it also separated our house from the downtown area. So all of the grocery stores were the on the other side of the highway. All of the drugstores were on the other side of the highway. Everything exciting was on the other side of the highway. And neither my father nor my mother drove a car. So we walked everywhere. So in LA, it seemed like, there were busses. There was, that you could take downtown. And we walked a lot in LA, but there was access to more exciting places. You could drive your car to Santa Monica, but that's because my when, we stayed with my aunt and my uncle had a car and, some of my cousins had a car. So it was exciting because we had access to transportation here to, something that we didn't have in Tucson because there were no buses came to our side of the freeway. So every time we went to the grocery store, we had to depend on somebody with a car to pick us up, go to the grocery store, and then, bring us home. So, yeah, LA was gonna be more exciting. But I remember the, so what I knew this as a young child, but took it still took me a while to figure out, like, do it, and it had the courage to do it. I think, I was, after high school, and I went to college and I bombed. I went into some sort of depression. I wasn't diagnosed as, like, formally diagnosed as going into a depression, but I was kind of aimless. My high school girlfriend had dumped me and just didn't know what I was gonna do. So I went to a movie, and I heard a song, and I said, I wanna go to a place where I can listen to the, that song. And the song was, \"Don't Leave Me This Way\" by Thelma Houston, in a film that I, I can't even watch. But, it was that moment, that was just something switched. And I packed all the stuff in my car and I remember driving... And thinking, yeah, my life is gonna change. But I had requirements. Like, I just didn't wanna go to LA and be, and live a life. Like, I wanted to go to LA and become who I was. But also become an activist, make the world better. Because I was raised, I internalized this idea of change by being a child of the 60's. You know, I wish I could always regret it. I wasn't at Woodstock, and you know, all of these cool things. Or at the pro civil rights protests, that I missed out on all that. You know, what was happening in the Bay area. And the, I had also learned about Cesar Chavez and the farm workers. So I said, they're there. I said, why not? Like, at least there's a brown movement that I can relate to. I wanna get involved with that. But I knew there's something that I know and I knew then. And as a historian, I think that we don't look at the time that we're raised in that moment, in time. And in that moment in time, all of this information I had gathered, informed me that there were other brown queers like me in LA, I just had to find them. So there was a little excitement around there. I'm generally an optimistic person. I'm you know, I wake up every morning, happy and optimistic about what's gonna happen. And I think that's a personality trait. But, I was general, I was excited, but I told myself, you know, if, LA doesn't work out, I mean, I can always go home. That was always an option, but, you know, everything at once I arrived here, everything was just like, yeah, me learning how to drive a car in LA. Like, I'm really bad at directions. And so I'd always look at the downtown silhouette of downtown and say, or the, you know, the outline of the all the downtown buildings that say, okay, downtown, and center myself on that. But while I moved here in, 1978, at the end of 1978. But sometimes the smog back then was a lot worse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1104.18,1395.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1395.82,1396.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e you couldn't see downtown. And I'm like, oh, you've got to get your bearings together, because I didn't know, then I had to memorize streets. But at first, it was a little challenging to actually drive here. And, but then I got really proficient and good at it. And, yeah, I think that what I, so I saw this freeway as a child as confining, as limiting, as a border. When I moved to LA, the freeway was emancipation, you know, exploration, possible to, needed for this journey, to be, become who I was. And I used it to serve me, instead of the freeway dictating and outlining the my possibility here. It was just like a world wide open. And LA was exciting, even back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1396.38,1451.055"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So the urban landscape from Tucson to LA totally shifted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1451.835,1456.175"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1456.555,1458.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e what, what was LA of the eighties like? For somebody who, you know, is gonna look into your archive right now and discover it through your eyes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1458.31,1468.625"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. Tell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1468.765,1469.071"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e us a little bit about your the emotional experience of LA in the eighties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1469.071,1474.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e So getting settled in LA, like, I wanted to find brown queers. I wanted to find brown activists. And what there was more of is bookstores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1475.28,1483.785"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1484.125,1484.625"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Bookstores were central for, having these bulletin, these foam boards, and there were things posted on those boards about events. There were flyers on the floor. Or flyers posted and then you can take them from the tables. So that was a network that was really important to more marginal, historically marginalized groups. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1484.965,1511.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Because, perhaps, these kinds of, what did those groups know about press releases? Or, you know, so that was how we we found each other. There was also a lesbian magazine called, \"A Lesbian Tide,\" that sold for a dollar, that was full of announcements. And that's where I first found out about lesbians of color. But I think that in the 80s, first of all, I must say that there was less traffic. I know we didn't have as many freeways as we do, and they're not as wide as they were, but the, there wasn't as much traffic. So the movement was a lot, more efficient. And, you know, now I'm like, ask my friends, \"Can you not take the freeway?\" And back in the 80s, I'm like, always take the freeway, it's just faster. But that's not necessarily true. I mean, it's just different now. It was a time of new people coming to LA. I mean, I'm part of that big, that's known as the the big, queer migration. Of the 70s and 80s, of queers moving to big cities, coming from smaller towns to big cities. And of course, queer scholars have looked at this period of time, and that's still happening that dynamic of big to small, it's still happening, but it's not happening in terms of the proportions that was happening there. So new people like me are moving, to LA And it's also a time where people from the south, from, El Salvador or Nicaragua, who are having issues with violence in their countries are moving here. So it's a lot of new cultural groups, moving here. I attended a lot of protests in the 80s. Anti-US intervention. And I made relationships with people that, that from other nations that was exciting. I hadn't at this time, in the early 80s, I hadn't even been to Mexico. I wouldn't go to Mexico or until about '86 or '87. I treated myself to go to Mexico and I went to Mexico City. But I myself didn't know Mexico. So I met people from Mexico here who I related really well to, with them. But I also met, people who and and queers too who were coming from Guatemala and had to move here. So it was all these diverse experience, and, not just diverse in that people were different colors, but everybody had, like, a story about why they were in LA. And that was fascinating. And I think it's still true. Everybody has a story about coming to LA. Many of those stories are boring. Like, I came to LA too because I was interested in the business in Hollywood. Those stories are boring. But when people are, like, telling me these stories, I came here because, you know, I had to survive, and it was about my survival and I looked for others. And how they found others was always interesting. And I was doing the same thing. I was looking for brown queers too. So we were all in the search for that. On the other hand, because there were, freeways and transportation, I mean, I had a old B210 Nissan, B210 that got me everywhere. But, because it was easier to get places, the there was more, participation in these, like, in these social protests and in clubs too. It wasn't like you'd have to drive for hours. Like, if me and you set out to drive to, Hollywood, to a club, it'd take us hours to get there. I mean, just take fifteen minutes to get there. I mean, it was just faster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1511.54,1751.035"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1751.175,1751.895"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e now I think about it and say, well, it's too far, too much time. But, yeah, there was an excitement in the air. Of course, it was what I would go to clubs. I, it was, I got to have a little, be witness to what clubs were like pre HIV, AIDS and it was crazy. I mean, I didn't necessarily, like, try to meet women in clubs. I was never interested in other women that I met in a club, but I would go clubs and just dance with gay men. And it was I saw some things that were just, you know, I felt like a hick, you know, I'm from Tucson, and here I am. But, I went with it, and it was, learning experiential, learning by, being around. And but having these conversations too, I was I was not in Tucson anymore and talking about sex, talking about casual sex, and you know, and listening. Like, when people were, \"Well see these Levi's, the gay men wear them because they do this and this to their anatomy and blah, blah, blah.\" And it was like a whole, like, you know, it was a intense learning curve because gay culture is a knowledge. And you learn you, know, you're queer, but there's like. And there's a knowledge you have to acquire and I was listening and attentive to it. And I wanted to be part of it. Doesn't mean that I wanted to be part of everything, but I wanted to be part of everything so I could know it. And I've been like that about everything. I wanna know it. Before I make a judgment, I wanna know what it is. And I want to experience it. And So I allowed myself to do that. I tell young people that too. I'm like, all these young people looking for relationships and feel bad because they haven't found their true relationship. I'm like, \"You don't want relationships in your twenties. You wanna, like, have all of these different relationships. So when you're my age, you can look back and say, yeah, that happened.\" And I did that and get it out of your system, instead of being so responsible. But that's my critique about what society does to young people right now is that it really puts a lot of pressure for them to know who they are. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1752.375,1905.815"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And I arrived in, LA uncensored and just ready to just explore and knew that. And maybe it was what you just said, \"I wasn't in Tucson anymore.\" If, like, I left all of this behind, I wanted, like, experience and know this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1905.875,1927.725"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And so your, sort of queer experiences in Los Angeles coincided with your political activism and activism in for HIV AIDS. Tell us a little bit about all of those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1929.39,1942.862"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e So when I arrived in Los Angeles in '78, I was looking for, I had a cousin who was older than me and she was more of a bar dyke. And, I met met some of for friends. And, I knew that was not my scene. I don't wanna be judgmental about that scene, but I just knew it wasn't my scene. But, I looked and I saw a small ad in the Lesbian Tide, about this group lesbians of color. This was 1979. And they had just started meeting a couple months previous. So when I joined lesbians of color, I went to the first meeting, They weren't so welcoming the first meeting, I was a little disappointed, but it was the only group like that that I knew of so I continue to attend and eventually, I became part of the group. And, but, that's the type of environment, people I had been waiting for. Like I had been waiting all my life to be in, Lesbians of Color. And, I participated in the women, Take Back the Night and different protests, different police reform protests. And, but the just knowing those issues was important. Just to talk about these issues was important. How police, violence, and how some of the, especially the Black lesbians were feeling attacked and how they got harassed. I hadn't personally had that, those experiences, but hearing them from them. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=1943.43,2041.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Was important for me, and that's part of, like, me being open in LA and wanting to hear these experiences. And wanting to, like, be part of a movement. And how can you be part of a movement if you're not being empathetic to people in your movement, because each person has a different story. So, and I met, I made friends there, that some of my friends are still with me today. And, so I was active in that. And in 1983, I met some women who were at the National Lesbians of Color Conference in Malibu. And it it sounds fancy, like I say, in Malibu, like it was in a high resort. It was in a, this retreat center in Malibu, and it was these cabins. It wasn't anything fancy, but it was in Malibu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2042.58,2099.055"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2099.275,2099.775"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And they were in Gay and Lesbian Latinos Unidos, and, I thought it was they were so cool. I always had a thing. I always felt like an outsider. I have this insider outsider dynamic, right, because I'm from Tucson little town, isolated, like, in Spanish, you call it, like, ranchera. Like, I lived in a little ranch. We're here at the people, the urban folks raised in LA, who came from big cities. I always just thought they were cool. And they had a coolness to them that I wanted to aspire toward. One time, I was going up an elevator, because my first job was at a bank, and I was going up an elevator. And I guess I should told, I shared this with somebody, or maybe I didn't. And somebody I worked with said to me, \"Hey, you look like you're from LA.\" And I'm like, \"Oh, wow. I look like I'm from LA.\" It's a big moment for me. But, yeah. So back up a little bit. I worked at a bank. I worked at Security Pacific Bank for a while before I found something better to do and more closer to me. But, that working at the bank, I could see, if I look back on it saying this is a mistake. But I learned a lot things and it was a great to have had that experience. And be in this big, big place, processing center with a lot of young people. It was like, all these activities and just different people from different, places was just very invigorating. But, in '83, I met these women in GLLU, and they were all very cool. So I was like, stuck around. I didn't even go to the sessions. I just wanted to hang around and follow them, see what they had to say, right? And I'm, if they were leaders in this group called GLLU, Gay and Lesbian Latinos Unidos, that's a group I wanted to be in. So then I started being active in GLLU and was active till about 1991. Now let me back up and say that a couple years before then, I had entered the apprenticeship program for IBEW Local 11 to be an electrician. So I was when I met the women in GLLU, I was already in my apprenticeship program. My apprenticeship program required that I attend classes to, I could work, you had to work forty hours a week and you had to attend classes at night for, six hours. Three hours, either on a Tuesday or Thursday or on a Monday and Wednesday. So I couldn't attend meetings. Because their meetings were on Thursday. So I couldn't be as active as I wanted to because I had these restrictions. But then we, in that we just they had a group called, the women had formed. And I say women because I'm using the categories that I, that were available to me in the 1980s to identify. And we had the \"woman\" category and the \"lesbian\" category. Those were the categories that that worked for me at that time. I organized as a lesbian. The I had feeling I knew all along something was off, but that I fit into those categories, and they suited me. And I felt a sense of belonging when I was with other brown lesbians. But I usually call myself a dyke. But as I, as I got to know these the this group, they had a group called, The Lesbian Task Force. And of course, we, when we first met each other, and there were four of them, and me and my friend, Idene, and then Vicky, we just loved each other. We we were so happy to see each other. And, our experiences were so similar. It was just like meeting family. I guess there's sometimes people ask, were you all having sex, and it wasn't, we weren't. I mean, we were just like happy and it was great jazz to be around each other. So they changed their meetings so that we could meet on Saturdays because of my work schedule. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2100.955,2350.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e wow. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2350.46,2350.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e that was really cool. Yeah. So I was able to be active in Lesbianas Unidas and was active for most of the 90s in that group. And, and then keep working as an electrician. And then around, then I started meeting some of the guys in GLLU in because I went to a co-gender retreat, and they were cool. I mean, I had only known gay guys from the dance floor because I always would look for the gay guys to dance with them. And dancing with gay guys is just really different because it's different than dancing with women. I mean, there's no possibility commitment. It's just like be crazy and wild. And there's no sexual stuff. It's just dancing. So, the guys I met there were really, really welcoming and it reminded me of my cousins. So I really did make a, feel that sense of family in Gay and Lesbian Latinos Unidos. And sometimes we'd have events and I'd be, there's this moment with this guy, Michael Puente, who's since passed away from HIV AIDS. He died really early and we're washing dishes. I'm washing dishes, and he's drying them. He's talking about his experiences with his tías or his aunts and they just sounded like mine. And we're having this conversation. It was like, I knew Michael forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2350.7,2433.625"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2434.165,2434.665"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And, that moment just stayed in my head that, it was no translation there. It was no, no. It was just such a familiar feeling. It's such a familiar conversation with some of these guys that, that led to, I think, us working well with each other. And for me, you know, I was always on the lookout for, because I worked with all guys as electrician, you know, the last thing I wanna do is be around guys. But it turned out that the guys that I was around, in GLLU were really, really, feminist minded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2435.445,2471.935"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like you found your your tribe or your kindred spirits in these social gatherings. And I'm just curious for, like, anyone listening right now in the internet age, how did you get the word out for all for your activism and your other, you know, whatever was happening. How did get the word out? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2472.26,2491.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I, I'm, we made flyers. We killed a lot of trees. And we were always making flyers passing them out. And, we were always posting on boards. We'd go to bookstores and we make the flyer. And we add, like, colored pens because at their at that time, there was no colored printers, everything was black and white. And then we'd add like artistic motifs to the with colored pencils or pens to the flyer, put them up at bookstores, put them up to bars. And, I remember we used to carry these big rolls of tape and just tape them onto the walls. And then, and GLLU also had its newsletter Unidad, that they would publish every month. So that was that was really helpful. We did have the radio station KPFK, that if you got a press release to them, they'd read it for you. We did have, well, by the Lesbian Tide started to, ended around, I wanna say, '85. But we something emerged called the Lesbian News, that was mostly a paper of press releases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2491.21,2568.635"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2568.855,2569.355"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And, but there's this thing that we know, and I guess it's a marketing strategy now. See, we were doing marketing and we didn't even say that. But if you have a great event and people attend, they'll attend your next event. Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2571.095,2585.205"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2585.205,2585.365"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e wanna be put on the mailing list. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2585.365,2587.525"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2587.525,2587.685"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e so that word-of-mouth about our events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2587.685,2590.741"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2590.92,2591.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Helped us a lot. We we just had cool parties. And I'm a say some, because I was just talking to somebody about the parties with GLLU and you know, even co-gender sounds like an archaic word. But, when we had Gay and Lesbian Latinos Unidos events, we always knew it was our group and our organization. And everybody there was very respectful of that. Like, nobody got inebriated. Everybody would always welcome new people and be friendly to them and hand it to them. We always had a lot of food and after the event most people would always stay in clear up, clear out and clean up and put things away before everybody went to party somewhere else. So, we've always had an investment on create, on ensuring that people had a good time. Especially if we were charging them five dollars at the door. Like we wanted to make sure that they came back. So that was something that we were very aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2592.84,2653.425"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you consider anyone mentors at this time, or did you did everyone mentor each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2654.445,2660.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, we mentored each other. I mean, I wish that, we would have more literature to read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2660.97,2668.185"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. Even,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2668.725,2669.625"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Bridge Called My Back, was released in '83. Audre Lorde came out with her book. I got to go to a dinner with Audre Lorde once. Oh, so great. Of course, we didn't have a conversation. I was trying to avoid, she's really intense. Oh, sorry. A really intense look. And I I just tried to avoid making eye contact sometimes because it's Audre Lorde. But, I had, people like that, Gloria Anzaldúa, Cherríe Moraga, their work was really important to me, to see myself in books, and I was such a lover of books. So when that kind of literature merged, you know, I just took to it, and I would read it over and over again. Pat Parker was my favorite poet, and she'd come to LA often. So, yeah, those were how my mentors, but in terms of people that were older than me, I can't say that I was looking for that. I knew we were creating something new. And, this I don't wanna sound arrogant, but I knew that I didn't wanna repeat or re inscribe what had done, because my experience had taught me that the world I left behind is not a world I wanted to recreate. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2669.625,2756.167"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us Lydia about how you started compiling your archive. Did that happen organically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2758.465,2765.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2765.6,2765.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e you are you a pack rat? Do you keep everything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2765.92,2768.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, I'm a minimalist. Yeah. So I, my mother did that. She saved items. So she has rent receipts from 1949. Her pay stubs from 1960. I mean, she selectively saved a lot. So, she had a drawer that was fascinating to me. And sometimes when she wasn't home, I'd go through it. She'd always tell me stay away from it. She had old newspaper clippings, not every newspaper clipping. So it was just in a drawer. So she wasn't like a hoarder. It was her drawer where she kept special things, prayer cards, insurance documents, we're all in this big drawer. She wouldn't put bills in there. And, just, like, junk mail in there. It was a special drawer. So I think that I'm witnessing that and watching it because I think and I'm careful, Annie, with because I don't wanna insult archivist because it's a profession. I think that, you know, I really respect the archives and archivist, but I do think my mother had those tendencies because she was so selective in what she collected. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2768.8,2839.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And then, so she was born in 1913. So she didn't have formal education, but it wasn't intuition. She wasn't just guessing what was, \"Oh, I'll save this, or this newspaper clipping, I have to cut it, or this rent receipt. I'll save this.\" It's like she had a knowledge of the social and historical context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2840.445,2859.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2860.465,2860.705"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e In saving those items. And and when I wrote, in the shadows of the freeway, her documents were the, guided me. Like if she knew, that they were gonna be useful. And she didn't know how, but they turned out to be. So I knew too that, I wanted to save some things. And it may have started because a lot of the older fliers, like, when I first got here, and I joined Lesbians of Color. I had some artistic tendencies and I made a lot of the fliers, so I kept those. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2860.945,2895.835"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e So it may have started by me keeping something I made, and then seeing that flyer just be posted everywhere, and then leading you know, inspiring people to attend an event. So that that might have started me, this collection. And then, of course, things that seemed important relevant, I saved those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2895.91,2917.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think, is most significant about your archive? I mean, there's significance in every object. What do you feel, is most significant in terms of your contribution to the whole era.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2919.645,2939.295"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. Yeah. I think that my archive has context and maybe some other collections don't have that. As a just, some of the flyers that are in my collection, I've tried to share the story behind it, or that I made it. Like, a lot of flyers you just see. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2939.675,2965.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e But,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2965.46,2965.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e you know I'll, or a t-shirt, with with GLLU emblem. I made that, and I'll tell you it was made on a Macintosh in 1956. It wasn't my Macintosh. So there's a story. I've, like, tried to share the story behind the items in the collection. So I think that enhances, I don't wanna say value. I don't want yeah. It enhances the the utility of the document, that you know that story. I think that's, I also think that when I wrote my most recent book, L.A. Interchanges, that also provides a context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=2965.62,3004.815"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3004.955,3005.515"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e you know about Lesbianas Unidos, Lesbians of Color, you know about that retreat. You know, about these, various events. And you see a photograph that looks like, oh, this rural retreat center, oh, it's a rural retreat center. A lot of women of color are there. They're all wearing shorts. Sometimes they're not wearing clothes. We wonder what that is? Like, you know where that is, and you know what that what that event was. And, I think that's what's special is that you have this context and then you have these documents. And these documents relate to the book in a way that's personal and real. And it can guide you. I think that queer history is, well, all history, right? If we look at even on the US history and global history, it's a mosaic of experiences. And, I think our goal, my goal as a historian. Your goal is an archivist has tried to gather all this mosaic of experiences. It's not the master, we already know the problem with master narratives and that they leave every a lot of people, especially historical, historically marginalized people out. So we're looking for those those those places where these pockets of these people doing cool stuff where we wanna like preserve those. So I think this is one of an example of a preservation that is linked to something like a, I wanna call myself my book, L.A. Interchanges, but I'm gonna say that it's kind of like a guide to the collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3005.515,3104.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. And I think for us, the importance of the collection is we always want to have everyone see themselves in their, in the collection. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3106.01,3115.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3115.44,3115.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e this is important for us to fill that gap or try to fill that gap. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3115.84,3121.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Lydia, can you tell us about why you decided to donate your archive to the LAPL...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3122.24,3128.016"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure. That's an interesting story. You were involved, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3129.395,3132.522"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3133.39,3133.744"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e What was interesting to me and it's, as I'm talking a lot about my life in it. Sometimes I feel guilty about talking a lot, but I tell myself, you know, this is an oral history, so you can talk a lot. The, so this, email comes arrives on a random day. And, last year, right, sometime in March or maybe around this time. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3134.51,3157.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And, the email is, your interest it in my collection, but you don't ask for it. You didn't ask for it. You ask, you said anytime you're in L.A., we'd like to meet you. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3157.15,3167.545"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And, so then I'm I was, like, very drawn to that email because I think it was the tone. I think that everything in life is about relationships. Absolutely. And I think that in that email, it wasn't like, look, we want your stuff. You know, we're interested in you, interested in meeting you. We'd like to talk to you. And, so I set up a meeting, and you met me downstairs, brought me up, and I got to meet the archive, archivist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3167.685,3194.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3195.28,3195.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was special. And they were so excited to meet me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3195.92,3202.005"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e And each of them gave me a little, shared with me why my collection would be important here. And it put a face, like, it wasn't just, like, okay, I'm gonna bring my boxes here and just drop them off and these, like, and allow you all to categorize them, do whatever you want. It was like very personalized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3202.305,3224.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Ani Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhmm. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3224.65,3224.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e that that each of these archivists had a personal investment in the, in these, in this collection. And each of them told me why it would enhance your larger collection or your larger efforts, which I thought was very touching. So then I, of course, I remember we sat around a table. And you said, \"And what do you want?\" And I'm like, \"What? What do I want? It's like, I thought this conversation was all about what you want.\" And, I was a little taken back. So I left, I was on a high note. And I was very encouraged. And since then, I think I've formed relationships with you and the other archivists. And, so I guess it's about the relationships and I'm very proud. It's almost like, because I don't wanna say I don't like, those, bootstrap stories of people that pull themselves up. But, I don't I hate those stories. I think they're. You know, I think everybody's I mean, and success is even one of those stories that I don't, you know, I have issues with because some people have privilege and opportunities that others don't. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287#t=3224.97,3309.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/127448/file/239287/transcript/66336/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Lydia Otero:\u003c/strong\u003e But I do think that I've been one of these people that always tries to leverage their opportunities. And, I'm really good at reading the room. 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But I think that my experiences too with my mother coming here as a child and walking in here. Anybody that walks here in here and walks into that rotunda. This is a grand place. And so those kinds of feelings are still with me. Even now when I walk into the library, I still have those feelings. And two, when I was an electrician, after the fire, I worked here. And I was... 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You now have the David Gonzales collection and the Laura Aguilar and... No, the Laura Durán and Irene Martínez archives. So that's a start, like, putting these, these items, making them available to researchers. So less and less will there be works? I'm hoping, an efforts by authors to be more inclusive, and they'll be here. I mean, they can't say, well, there's nothing there. We couldn't find anything because the more collections there are like mine. I don't think that mine's gonna be the solve all. I mean, it's a start. I think that, it's if you're gonna research queer of colors, queers of color and how they were organizing. My collection has, I know that one folder has all of the addresses and the registration materials from the People of Color Conference in 1986. 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I feel bad that the lesbians color group that I was involved with was didn't take notes. It was just more informal, more of a support group. But that's also important to recognize, because, sometimes I read histories that are wrong. And, because they make assumptions. And so now I can say, well, you should go look this up in such and such a folder and you'll learn more about that period of time. But, yeah, I think if anybody's gonna research LA, they have to include queers and they have to include oh, and I think they might include queers, probably so. But they have to include queers of color. One thing that I'm really careful about in my, memoirs is I don't write about things that I didn't witness. I'm very clear about that. If I wasn't there, if I don't, I'm not gonna tell this story based on what somebody told me because I just wanna make sure that this is a different approach. 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