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It is Thursday, September 26th, and we're in the podcast room of our Octavia E. Butler Makerspace. So, why don't you introduce yourself, David?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3.17,21.637"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Hello. I'm David Botello and born in Los Angeles, 1946, and I lived all my life here except for when I was in the service. I was able to go to Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=23.09,39.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. Um, can you tell us a little bit about the community you grew up in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=40.61,45.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Uh, well, in general, it's East Los Angeles, and, uh, I was there in various places with my parents. But generally around Ford Boulevard and the Beverly area and the Long Beach Freeway. When we were living on Fourth and Humphreys, uh, we had to move and move about an hour away to a barrio that was called, uh, El Ollo Mara because it was like a sunken area, because of a river went through it in rainy season where my grandfather built homes. So it's, uh, a tight little community. There was a presence of of local gangs, and it was, uh, the area had also Japanese, which did, uh, strawberry farms and different kind of farms. Uh, so it was a mixed community. In school, uh, we would have, say at least uh, 20% were Anglo people. A few Asian and then a couple of black people and mostly, uh, Mexican Americans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=45.44,143.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that your elementary school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=143.28,144.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=144.78,145.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Do you have a favorite memory of that place you grew up in or your school or something that you'd like to share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=146.76,156.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, yes. Uh, when I was in public school and I was started with Wayne, and we lived approximately a quarter mile away from each other. Uh, but they started digging or emptying out the homes to dig up the 710 freeway. And so they were vacating them little by little, and we didn't have to move. The pressure wasn't on us to move at that time. So we used to go hunting through the old homes that were vacated and just treasure hunting and stuff. And at that time we were so maybe about five of us siblings were born. My parents ended up having nine children, and that was sort of exciting, that's for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=157.65,216.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Where do you fall in the nine children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=216.75,218.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e I am the second and eldest son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=219.15,224.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Can you tell us a little bit about the role that art played in your childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=225.93,232.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I was blessed to show my art right away, and my father encouraged me right away. My aunt, Gloria Rivas, that's my my mom's sister, she was an artist. And I would look over her shoulder and she would do ink drawings and mostly caricatures. And so and then my father was a cabinet maker, and I would he would do side jobs for weekends for neighbors. That's what kind of community it was. You know, everybody, especially when later on when I went to Catholic school, there was clubs, mother's clubs, father's clubs, but he would draw his cabinets and, and isometric where you could see three sides. And he'd put measurements and stuff. And I always thought that that was real cool, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=232.71,300.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you feel encouraged? Did they share their art?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=305.44,306.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e ,Always. I always felt encouraged, especially with, with the teachers. So when we were in the third grade and I was there with Wayne Wayne Healy, uh, evidently we were the best artists in the group of students because she asked us for an open house for the parents coming in, if we could do a butcher paper mural, is what we call it. Oh, which the class had these two big green walls, and we put up a butcher paper. And so we were we did actually dinosaurs. So now we didn't really remember this word, but we say we did a Jurassic Park mural. And so up above the blackboards were the cursive writing how they used to have it. I always tried to develop a real legible handwriting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=306.97,381.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So you met in elementary school? Um, you've known each other for a very long time. Did you influence each other to become artists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=382.73,390.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Pretty sure. Like, uh, I remember walking over after school to his house, which was three blocks away from the school, and he would, uh, show me some woodwork that he had access to, like saws and stuff like that. I had that kind of access too, with my dad. But he would do Mighty Mouse. I remember that. And he painted it, so he drew Mighty mouse, which was a character on television, and he painted it up and it was like, wow, that's just like, perfect, you know? And I can imagine that we would share drawings with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=391.4,443.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And after you created that first mural on butcher paper, did you have a teacher there? Did you have somebody who influenced you and was supportive and encouraged you to to to continue? What do you remember about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=445.76,462.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, just our teacher. And I have a I have a photo of that I should send it to you. Where we're all sitting there and classroom photo and the teachers there. Uh, besides that, her encouragement, you know, we we did other things of dance, and I think I played a violin at that time. So I was kind of immersed in a lot of different art forms. But, you know, the freeway was really starting to. Our family had to leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=462.41,504.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, because of eminent domain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=504.42,506.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=506.34,506.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us a little bit about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=506.88,508.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You know, as they worked out, they must they were just renters, uh, and we had to move. And so this was a great opportunity for them because they were able to build a house on my grandfather's property in a El Ollo Mara and the front yard and three bedrooms and only one bath for. For at that time. Yeah. There was the ninth child was born when we were still living there. Uh, but it made a lot of different friends. And my mom had the opportunity to send us to Catholic school, which was her dream. She was taken care of by sisters in Duarte that had a sanitarium because she got tuberculosis, as did her mother. So she had a fondness for them, and she wanted us to go to Catholic school from then on. So I went. Our lady of Guadalupe Elementary. And then from there we went to Salesian High School is all boys and every everywhere I went, I always was encouraged with art. At the Sisters', they were disciplinarians, but they encouraged you and your talents. And both me and my wife have a real fondness for the sisters. They were the Colombian sisters. Sister Maura again at our eighth grade teacher. She said, David, you're really good with your watercolors and why don't you do something again? Like we were learning a little bit of Roman history. So I ended up doing a nice watercolor. I think I still have that watercolor, to put up, you know, on the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=508.2,644.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=645.01,645.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And at the same time, my Aunt Gloria. All her sisters had left--well they were cousins, but they lived with her. She ended up having one of the whole bedrooms as a studio. And I would always go down there. She would play a high fidelity stereo unit, a piece of furniture. She put albums. Classical music. \"David, listen to this!\" and she just talked to me about. And she was not an educated person. She was mostly self-taught. She had a hearing problem and other issues. But man, it was like she had a drawing table. And there was an accident over at the old Sears building on Soto Street, Soto and Olympic train accident that was on the news. And she ended up drawing these trains all in ink of whatever she saw in the paper or TV, you know, accident or train. And I said, wow, that's fantastic!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=645.82,723.103"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So it seems like you were surrounded by a lot of creativity or people who appreciated art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=724.4,729.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=729.53,729.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, how about your siblings? Uh, tell us a little bit about nine kids in a house and how you managed that? And were any of your other, uh, siblings, artists or have an interest in the arts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=730.07,744.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they all had an interest, but only my youngest brother, Paul became an artist. He still is. He became a teacher. Everybody sort of went into educational. Uh. I only went to one year after high school. I went to one year of college, and then I got drafted because I lost my deferment. I'll take a pause right now. I don't want to jump back and forth too much, but, uh, sometimes what I'm talking about sort of relates altogether. Am I speaking loud enough?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=745.28,806.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I think so, yes. Okay. So, um, who influenced you the most when you were a child? 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Elementary or high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=822.75,832.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, either, elementary or high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=833.04,836.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would say probably my dear Gloria, and my father. I have faint memories of my mother, uh, coloring black and white photographs, adding color to them, uh, like she did that maybe on a side job, because later on, I saw some of the work that she did, and she said that she was doing it when we were infants, I think we were living in a garage that was converted into a residence. And so my dear Gloria. Well, after I graduated from elementary, uh, I was at Salesian High School. There Father Elio, Italian priest. Uh, me and John Gonzalez went to school together. He was two years ahead of me, so he had a big influence on me also when I was a teenager. We would paint together in art class. So these were electives. Either you could go play basketball or write do music. And we did art and we were the best ones in his class. And he he didn't really teach you how to do things, he rather exposed you to arts mediums. He would, uh, bring in, uh, colored pencils, uh, watercolors, uh, inks and stuff like that. 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Uh, what is he doing now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=955.77,960.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, we just communicated with with each other because we did a driving trip together in 1970 all the way to Mexico City in his sister's Volkswagen Beetle. Brand new one. And we were in, uh, Morelia. It's between Guadalajara and Mexico City. Uh, 50, what did I say? 57 years ago on the 16th of September this year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=960.81,998.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=998.71,999.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I texted him a real long text because we don't talk a whole lot. And then he replies to me: David, by coincidence, I was in Aguascalientes with 12 members of the family from LA went down to see their parents, which are both gone, their families. So they met all these, uh, cousins, and they said it was a fabulous time. And they celebrated fireworks at the Plaza. Uh, people everywhere, murals everywhere, because I had the most wonderful, wonderful that trip was. 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So growing up, did you speak Spanish in the house or not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1060.06,1065.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all. My grandfather Rivas. Which property we moved to where my tia Gloria lived with him. Uh, he would read the Herald Examiner in English, but he'd speak to us in Spanish all the time. 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And it wasn't until coming back from Mexico when we, the Chicano, came into vogue. Uh, before we went to Mexico, I was, uh, and Johnny, too, we went to what was called the Chicano Moratorium against the War in Vietnam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1125.68,1158.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm. So we where was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1158.92,1161.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e That started in a Belvedere Park, which right next to it was a Sheriff's station, a lot of people assembled there. We walked East down Pomona to Atlantic, went south on Atlantic, then went west on Whittier Boulevard to Laguna Park. 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I have some real good photos of the street. I was taking black and white photos. Uh, students, uh, groups like MECHA started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1208.3,1228.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1228.88,1229.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Brown Berets were in force there. They were marching like a little military group. And, uh, it was like the birth. And I always say that after that. Oh. And at the same time, we were forming Goez. Goez as a combination of the first letter, last two letters of Gonzalez and Joe Gonzalez, older brother, to Johnny, uh, they wanted to open an import and fine arts store. And what they found was a nice, it was a meat market, former meat market. 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It was on First and Gage. On Cesar Chavez, which was maybe Brooklyn. And Gage was Self-Help Graphics. And then down First Street, we ended up doing a fabulous tile work. We didn't do the tile work, but designs for the First Street store, which they're still there. But now it's a school. High school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1294.62,1330.751"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Was that around the time that the East Los Streetscapers started? Was that before or after?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1331.01,1337.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1337.79,1338.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1338.36,1339.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e So we started working on the building in '69. And in '70, uh, what we did, I mean, we changed it from a meat market to a beautiful gallery and workshop. Way in the back was a big studio with skylights. Then there was other design rooms which we had. Then there was the outside area that you could do carving and plaster work and stuff, and they had a driveway all the way to the front. Then we put our first mural in East L.A. up on the front of the building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1339.5,1382.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1382.2,1383.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was truly an attraction. Our first art show in '71, we had 100 artists, and these were all local people and school teachers and professional artists, scenic artists, photographers. We attracted people from other that formed other groups like Osco and Los Four. They all came in as individuals. We met everybody. And at that time, uh, Wayne was in Cincinnati getting a degree and working for aerospace. And he heard about the, well, uh, Ruben Salazar was a a writer, journalist for the L.A. Times, and he would get the L.A. Times in Cincinnati. And so he was keeping up on what was happening. And then when he hears about a riot, uh, in East L.A., he said, Bibi, we got to move back. You know, I'm sure he got a job there. Uh, I think in Pomona, maybe, uh, General Dynamics or something like that. 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Yeah. For sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1472.9,1474.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e What year was that? Around. What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1475.18,1477.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, probably, well, we did not meet each other again until '75. Meanwhile, he had done a mural, '74. I had done my first mural, solo mural in '73. And so I think around '73 or so, he was with the other group, artist group, and they had a gallery and workshop that was Mechicano, where they put murals on the outside panels where the windows were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1478.24,1512.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you were both doing murals but separately. That's interesting. What, what drew you to doing murals? What was so interesting about this? 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And it was like different, uh, culture, you're almost, you know, but they were together, and there was I had to learn the the history. So I bought a bunch of books when I got back. But in the anthropology museum, it's like, wow. The floors were pieces of wood that they cut people. There were people polishing them always. When you were walking around murals, the local great artists did murals, fabric things, Tamayos, big, giant piece. And the one of the when you walk up just the bronze or you go up to it and waterfall all around it, the big you know, you read in the book that the biggest roof in the world, supported by one column, and that column was a bronze. So what he did is, is like an inverted, uh, umbrella. 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Oh yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1755.57,1791.466"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs] So, um, what year did the East Los Streetscapers sort of, like, officially start? 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So Lupe, my wife, came with me and we traveled throughout East LA, and we had a map and we just went through every street and we documented it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1809.55,1839.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So you worked on that together? That's amazing. I didn't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1839.52,1842.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e 275, 71 murals in East LA proper. It's not going into the city, not going into northeast or into Montebello. It's just East L.A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1842.82,1861.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmh. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1862.95,1863.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e so we made a map with all the locations of where they're at. And I ran into trouble when we were designing it and organizing it, they said, hey, you're going to sell these? Uh, I said, yeah, but not for a lot [laughs]. It's a lot of work we're doing here, right? I went to our own money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1863.37,1891.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1891.61,1892.017"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, we paid for it ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1892.24,1894.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1894.46,1895.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And we got Robert Arenivar, which was fabulous, fabulous artist. He did corner renderings, and I did the whole map by hand, did the lettering of the streets, everything typed up the places where you could find murals. So they were printed and I wanted. Oh, and then Goez we got a postcard from a gallery in Santa Monica. First Chicano show in the West Side. Who knows? But it was Osco, Los Four, Judith Hernandez, a few other names are going to be showing. I said, Johnny, come on, let's go, let's go! So I couldn't get anybody to go with me. So I rolled up a bunch of them and I drove over there, and I was giving them to the artist, you know. I said, uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1895.57,1958.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing. How did they feel about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1959.35,1961.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e We're going to sell. When we sold them for the first time, there was $4.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1961.45,1965.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1967.75,1968.265"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And everybody liked it. Yeah. I said, look, I couldn't, we couldn't put your names here because people were getting upset, or we could, we had dots with numbers and then all the names had numbers, so, so you could find your art, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1968.365,1989.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1989.23,1990.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e But Wayne was there. And I'm looking at the artwork. You know, I was checking it out, and I'm looking at this guy, he's got a little daughter on his hand, and he's wearing a green army shirt. He didn't, he didn't go to the service. But, I go, Wayne, is that you? He looks at me and he goes, yeah, uh, who are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=1990.59,2024.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs]. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2025.9,2026.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e so he didn't see me since the third grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2026.29,2028.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2029.02,2030.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm wearing glasses, I got a beard, and I got a hippie hair. Kind of a fallen, natural kind of look. So, we found out that he had, he had a mural at Ramona Gardens. And I told him I had mine. So right away we connected. Oh, I like your mural. Yeah. That's right. We both, you know, said that we did good in our murals. And I said, I'm working with Goez. And he was printing at Mechicano. So we said, yeah, we should keep in touch, exchange phone numbers. Uh, we ended up having meetings at Wayne's house, uh, which was in Lincoln Heights, that's where they're living now. And Bibi, his wife Bibi had a sewing room, and we'd just go in there and move her stuff away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2030.82,2098.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs]. Sketching,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2099.67,2100.398"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e and I'd talk about, what are we going to do? What are we? So what happened was we bonded right away. I said, we've got to do artwork together, a mural. So we flipped the coin and whoever won was going to go out and find the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2100.398,2122.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh! But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2122.63,2123.068"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e the other person has to help him paint it. So, the reward for tossing it is you get to design it, but you have to find a wall. But don't worry. But we both had jobs, so we ended up only on Saturdays painting it. So he found one right there close to his home. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2125.0,2152.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e which one was the first one you did together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2152.99,2154.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Crocker Bank. On Daily and Broadway, North Broadway. And he was pretty cool. We wanted to do the four panels that were are vertical. And then the manager, I think was maybe Latino, I don't remember who who he was. They said, well, how about that one big one? And we said, yeah, sure, we could do that one too! So it took us a year to paint it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2155.99,2189.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2189.41,2190.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e On the sidewalk on Saturdays. Could you imagine? Broadway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2190.37,2194.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And did you get a crowd watching you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2194.51,2197.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they were in our way also!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2197.48,2199.574"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs]. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2201.53,2202.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e we got funding with the help of Judithe Hernandez, uh, scaffolding and, uh, some equipment. And then the bank gave us $400 to, for supplies and paints, and so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2202.19,2223.081"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did they pay other than the supplies? Did they? Did you get any kind of payment for the work, or was it just for the supply? Did they just cover the supplies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2224.82,2234.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, I think we probably pitched in some money. I had discovered a Nova color at the time. And like, the paint that they gave us, like, for, uh, my first one at Estrada Courts was in cans. It was mostly house paint kind of stuff, which wasn't very good. So we wanted to get bright colors and better, uh, thickness through the medium. So, the uh, Wayne had beautiful renderings in pencil or ink and I think pencil. And then he did a quick color scheme. So right off the bat, I could say, wow, he's a good, uh, with figures, he's good with composition, and I am better in colors. So right away we had a match. Although we would come up with all the ideas together, we would sketch together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2235.2,2309.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Uhmm. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2309.15,2309.696"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e he ended up buying an old, uh, Ford station wagon, no rack. But we would then with the with the citywide mural project. Uh, Judithe was working for, uh, Judy Baca, so just put it right on top. And he had a garage where he could park the vehicle, and we just drove three blocks or whatever it was and set up in the parking area, and they just rolled it right out. So it was pretty convenient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2311.37,2349.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So it sounds like it was a collaborative effort, right? You were both sketching. You're both sort of at that point, you knew each other's strengths and weaknesses so you could work together, seems very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2350.11,2364.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e I ended up working mostly from his pencil sketches because I could tell, uh, lights from darks, you know. And we first started with a Mayan piece way, uh, closer to, to the right, uh, separating our areas. I did the four corners, he did the main figure. So those, when you see them is the style of each other. And as we finished that and moved to the left. Little by little I would offer suggestions, I would ask for help, like, say, if I wanted help on some hands that were in the small areas. He'd come over with chalk or he'd do a drawing, and then I would offer color ideas for his center. And then by the time we were at the La Familia panel, the big one, there was painting over each other. 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But we went ahead. We didn't, me and Wayne didn't know how to do tiles. We painted, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2562.64,2575.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2575.6,2576.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And that still is existing right now, and it's been refurbished once through the years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2576.08,2582.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Where's that building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2582.2,2583.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e It's on, it's facing Daly and it's on North Broadway. And now it's called the East West Bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2583.7,2592.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2592.94,2594.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e So, uh, bad shape, it's in real bad shape. And we we don't even have the energy, really, to go out there and fill it... 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So do you find that the setting of the building, uh, impacts how you approach the mural or the contents of the mural, or do you have an idea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2626.42,2640.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e That's one of our goals always, even at Goez, Uh, we think about what is the building used for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2640.47,2648.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2649.29,2649.697"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Who goes there, you know. Um, and then, uh, we started that at Goez, and then Wayne and myself that, that became part of our. So when we did, uh, Filling Up On Ancient Energies or even, uh, well, there was a gas station that was on Soto and Fourth. We started with the whole pre-Columbian thing because it was a wall that stepped up as you went 100ft. Uh, we utilized a bomber, a big old fashioned car with a guy with a suit on, he's like going to a wedding, filling up the car with gas. So that's in the mural. Next to it is cruisers, guys and girls. And the guys are trying to pick, have the girls stop so he could get some phone numbers or, you know, make friends. So it was all about cars. Oh, yeah, and a good one was, uh, the Culver City DMV, Department of Motor Vehicles. It was part of a project statewide where they were, the state of California was investing in artwork. Uh, it could either be in, like, an EDD building, uh, or I think all the public DMVs got murals, different type of state buildings. So when we went there, there was only a $10,000 offer for some artwork inside the DMV. Uh, so if you've been a DMV, you know what it's like, it's glass and wood, and signs everywhere [gently laughs]. We go in there, Oh, we can't put a mural in here! Argh, so we left kind of disgusted. I guess we have to go look for another one of these, see what we can do. So we're going back to the car, and we turn it around and looking at the building. And it's kind of a Japanese style architecture, uh, but it's all black. Just black as could be, flat black. 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Lost","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2821.02,2821.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e money on that one, you know, but at least we kept the studio open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2821.68,2825.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you, while you were doing this whole process, were you also documenting it? Were you all taking photos of it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2826.72,2831.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. Sort","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2831.4,2831.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e of archiving the whole process?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2833.8,2836.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. We probably have plenty of eight millimeter, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2836.41,2840.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh that's great, that's fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2840.73,2841.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e So because it's a Culver City aerospace area, uh, we put man on the moon, car, motor vehicles on the moon [gently laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2842.38,2854.396"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, tell me about the, you were you were telling the story at the reception of the, um, of the the astronauts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2854.83,2862.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Reflection. 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So I, I did these big old three tractor machinery that would hoist up stuff. And then there's a scene with, like, a dune buggy, and this big astronaut stretched out like he's holding a, we invented the iPad. He had an iPad in his hand [laughs], and it had a design of an old car on it, I think. And he's touching up, uh, me, a comet that's going through space. And then he's looking straight down at you. And, uh, my wife had, uh, some egg-shaped stockings with a beautiful chrome...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2865.66,2928.339"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e The Leggs... 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So as we painted, we had to like, wrap around those pieces so that you don't see 'em. And did a pretty good job of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=2981.14,3013.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. So, um, you do make art beyond murals. 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And so we projected for the bid, tile, just four inch tiles under these, I think they're either walkways across the top or planters, that came over this. So we got a friend of ours another artist, collaborated to make a metal trunk, tree trunk, and so it would be in the planter that was there. It would be in the planter and going up to the ceiling. And then from there we did tree branches coming out and leaves and everything. And there was a little boy up in the tree. There's squirrels and butterflies and stuff. So that's the first time we got into tiles ourselves. So we had to learn how to use glazes, how many layers to get the right color, because right away it's transparent, this glaze isn't worth anything, you know! So I always came up with methods of of how do you improve your colors? How many? So we got a tile and then just put one layer, let it dry, then left an inch and put another layer. Let it dry left another inch. Put another layer. So this way you see ah this glaze, you got to use three layers to get the right color out of it. So we would make samples of all the glazes we used in the fire room. And then we to get, you know, understanding of the glaze, what it is. So and then uh, there were other walls that came down, I guess there were like beams that would support the, the roof, but they were curved. And so we came up, I came up with an idea because at our home, uh, we did buttresses to hold up this concrete wall that was holding up our house. And then there was dirt, ivy and stuff to the sidewalk, the street. So I thought, well, I get some redwood, a carve or negative relief. And then when we put it in the form and her brother was visiting us for months and helped us build a lot of stuff. So when we pulled off the form, there was a relief. The first one was a pyramid in the sun. The next one was, I say, our children, our family. We had three children, and another one was a symbol of a house with a gear on top. So they were simple shapes, easy enough to carve out of wood. And so I, I said, Wayne, let's do something like this. And we have Alejandro de la Rosa who did the, the metal trunk, tree trunk. He could show us how to do, uh, a relief in concrete. So I came up with colors and mixtures and strengths. And we did, he did clay, a bar, designs which were natural. There's a frog, a squirrel, a turtle, stuff that was found locally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3030.35,3315.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3315.88,3316.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And we called it Arroyo. Um, something to do with the Arroyo that comes from Pasadena to Downtown or joins up with the River, LA River. So? Sombra the Arroyo, like the shade in the Arroyo. And so we put those up on the wall, bolted it into the wall. 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Did you find that hard to do or was it...? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3361.31,3364.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it was a really fun, fun process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3365.09,3367.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e We had a great studio at that time. Alejandro found it in his neighborhood in Rosemead. And he said, But I'll come in with you guy, but this is mine for doing my bronzes. And you guys got that big wall to do your murals. And it was a fabulous place. We had our two outside areas where we ended up doing our concrete work. 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Uh, brought you, brings you, brought you maybe the most joy when you were making the artwork? Um, what kind of process or was it was it the collaboration that brought you the most joy? Was it the, you know, doing the murals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3413.63,3431.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we were getting lots of jobs, that's for sure. We would have murals going, we would have a three dimensional pieces going. It was exciting to be able to do something more permanent than just the mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3433.52,3451.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3451.4,3451.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to have to take a break right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3453.8,3455.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3455.57,3456.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sure, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3456.14,3457.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Go to the bathroom [returns].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3459.68,3461.118"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e [Resume interview] Okay. So, um, have you done any projects outside of the city of Los Angeles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3462.92,3469.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, we did murals in Santa Maria and Bellingham, Washington. But one project that used the best of our Wayne and my abilities, I say, is for the San Jose, city of San Jose. And they came up with these entrances to the city idea. And so we got the one in the south, which was the road from Monterey Bay, which was a good port area, and it went, it's Market Street and First Street, and there was a park there. And so they wanted something for the pobladores. These are the first settlers. Something to commemorate the founding of the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3469.88,3524.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3524.43,3524.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was a pueblo at the time. So what we researched and researched, we came up with one idea and they didn't like it. The architect said he didn't like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3525.45,3538.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh what was the idea. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3539.43,3541.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e He said, I don't like all that steel on top and columns and benches. You're going to have bums sitting in that area. Okay, okay, we'll do something else. Uh, I did do a lot of research at San Jose University because they have a California room in the library dedicated to the history of California. So I spent a lot of time in there, and I've learned a lot of things that we could incorporate. So we came up with another idea which was going to be four columns, which were triangular in shape, pointing in the four directions. So the one in the north would be pointing that. And we thought, let's do tile on the inside and which would face each other, and they were going to be 14ft tall. And so at this time we used a one inch tiles. And then on the outside we would do concrete relief. I'm going to have to take some water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3542.49,3616.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3616.56,3617.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you imagine that your quarter you take a quarter out and you see that kind of relief. It's, you know, it's a who that president is or who the Lady Liberty is. And so we incorporated people of San Jose, elders, children, profiles, and then on top and then at the bottom, we incorporated something they brought on their journey from the south. So the government of Mexico City, so their plan was first they send the explorers and then they find where they could put a presidio. So like the Bay of San Francisco, they put the presidio there. And then the friars come up and make a mission. And then the the third wave would be the people, pobladores, settlers. So they came from, uh, Arizona and which came from Mexico. And then another group came from Baja. And so they formed up. They had their their oxen, they had their garetas. They were, you know, just big old wooden wheels. And they came up with animals and their best, uh, fruit and vegetables they're going to plant. So they they made the pueblo. So we documented in the relief and in the tile all of those things. And it was a fabulous job! And we built everything there in Rosemead. Wayne built, uh, shapes, forms because okay, these are triangles that came up, but then the top was shaved at an angle and there's going to be hollow. And he thought it away, how to attach them. Then it was a granite top and on it that held it together with the steel rods that came up and held it. And then we had etching Spanish and English on it around the top.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3623.91,3776.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3776.66,3777.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e It was very beautiful. 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You used the library to do a lot of research so that you could depict things that were accurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3783.44,3793.069"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3793.25,3794.173"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Big. That was a big part of the work as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3795.38,3797.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e You would find some nice images, too. Like we get... Inspired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3797.87,3803.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, we're, Bibi's family is from Mexico. They would build these, uh, houses or, uh, cabins or whatever they were out of, uh, uh, sticks, they would weave sticks. They would get mud and, and, uh, straw and they'd plaster it and they would make these huts, maybe animals, or maybe they would live in it for a while until they built stuff. So we pictured that because they talked about these by the palacieros that they made as soon as they got there. And so we did an image of that in the concrete area. And uh, when we get this metro job, uh, Slauson, I came down to the archive area into this library and we documented, we have 96 panels on this fence that's on the second level of the Slauson station, and it documents all the history of Los Angeles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3803.69,3880.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Amazing. So the library is something that you've used and... Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3880.59,3885.114"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm glad that you also made it here. So part of the history of of your work, that's amazing. Um, let's talk a little bit, if you can, David, about your activism and, you know, the community engagement and, and activism in your art and how, the role it played in your artistic practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3885.18,3908.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I spoke about the Chicano Moratorium and the good that came out of it was the youth, the students, the professionals who were there. They were dedicated to the community, to what can I use my talents for the better? I think of so many students became lawyers. They became activists, teachers, some other professionals that they formed organizations. Everything really started from a peaceful demonstration to stop a war in the middle of children, in folkloric outfits, on stage dancing. Everything was broken up by the police. It could have been sheriffs, but their outfits look more like police. 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Me and Johnny were artists! We finished up Goez! Then when I met Wayne, we said, well, right from his first designs, it was the history of Mexico. And because it was the first battle was pre-Columbian, the next panel was the the arrival of the Spaniards, the next one was the rancheros, the third, fourth one was revolution. And then the last one was just documenting family life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=3986.41,4034.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And how would you say, like now, so many years later did that play a role in you nurturing young artists in your community? How do you feel like you've given back? 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We got an intern from Father Boyle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4053.73,4068.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4068.79,4069.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Fabian Debora. And I just got some email, maybe a couple of months back, saying that if they could document, if I could document something because they're going to present him, Fabian, with an NEA grant. And so I talked about him and how he absorbed everything while he was at the studio and he wouldn't just sit there and do nothing, he starts sweeping, he starts talking to artists, and, you know, he was really into it. And now he's he's been doing now in Central America, he goes down there and teaches kids. So he's a really good example of of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4069.66,4125.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4126.31,4127.359"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And my brother Paul, he became a teacher and he's still doing murals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4127.39,4132.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e In 1991, East Los Streetscapers won a settlement against Shell Oil after your gas station mural Filling Up On Ancient Energies was destroyed without you being notified. And, um, your efforts inspired a new ruling to include murals within the the California Art Preservation Act. I mean, that's huge. 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Bill Lazaro, he was a gallery owner, but activist also, he said, let's get together because they did this covered up, uh, Kent Twitchell's, uh, Old Lady Of The Freeway there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4163.6,4193.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4193.33,4193.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And so while we were organizing and doing this boom, they knocked down our our mural. So I was at home with my son doing my commercial artwork, uh, I've always had commercial artwork as I did, and eventually my last job was with Universal Studios. So... but I got a call from a teacher at Roosevelt High School, which was right around the corner of that mural Ancient Energies. \"Mr. Botello, you got to come down. They're knocking down your mural right now!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4194.26,4232.714"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4233.59,4234.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e I packed up Benjamin and got my camera and drove over there. 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They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4246.01,4246.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e were drilling it apart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4246.58,4247.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e So I went over there right away and started documenting what was happening. And, uh, I found some pieces, like, you know, there was some Asian men that were directing everything, and they were the Latinos that were doing the work, and the Latinos were saying, you know, sorry, this was just a job for us because I told them who I was. And so I found the copyright block with their contact information. I picked those up and take them to the car and various pieces I collected. And so we had a lawyer, Amy Neiman, uh, that was part of our gathering of the Mural Conservancy of Los Angeles. So she says, Yeah, let's take up the case. These are good facts that you collected, because Alan Cerardi, he had California Arts Preservation Act, which said you have to give if you're going to remove a piece of art, public art, you have to give the artists warning so he could remove it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4249.01,4329.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4329.54,4329.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And so they're thinking about sculptural stuff, maybe. And so we sued. She filed a suit against Shell Oil and my name is on it. David Botello versus Shell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4329.87,4343.237"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4344.0,4344.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e David versus Goliath.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4344.87,4346.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e And so we lost in the Superior Court. The first one. And then they took it to the appeals, and we won in appeals. And so they took it to the Supreme Court of California. 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And we had an artist, Nathan Zakheim. Not an artist, a restorer, who took Kent Twitchell's, uh, paintings off the 405 freeway, The Marathon Runners, and he moved them over. 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They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4431.58,4432.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e believed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4433.2,4433.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4433.8,4435.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, David, how did you feel having your artwork exhibited at our library, at the Los Angeles Public Library? If you want to talk a little bit about Hacia and the whole process of, uh, creating that mural for the Outdoor Recreation group. Um, and how you felt having it on display for the first time in 25 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4437.34,4463.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a very big surprise and delight. We hadn't seen it in over 25 years and frankly, forgot about it because so many other jobs were so much more important. 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It's fresh you know, I could remember all the brush strokes, you know, and to have it on display, you know, I was just for people. Whenever we went there, there was always somebody in there. You know, people that visiting the library there, they found their way over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4489.99,4521.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. We had over we had over 12,000 visitors in the in the short run, which is which is amazing. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4524.05,4532.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, and what did you with all the... Very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4533.29,4536.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e happy and proud... I do have all the comments. Um, I'm going to share with you. 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Um, is there anything you want to talk about that we haven't covered? And I guess my last question would be, how would you like to be remembered as an artist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4555.28,4569.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that would tie into something I wanted to talk about. Something I regret doing as an artist. It would tie into....somebody's going to see this mural that we did, and they're going to go, \"Oh, damn that's awful!\" And that is a technique of painting on fiberglass that Tito Delgado, Roberto Delgado, came up with. He did it as a big piece at Aliso Village, which they later knocked down all the buildings and put other buildings up. And then he did it also at Lincoln High School, which is over the entrance of their auditorium. So it's a fiberglass mesh that they use for screening, for shading. And we got involved with that when we did the mural in Santa Maria. So we did this on that material and in the studio in Palmetto, and then took it over and applied it to the wall with acrylic gel medium. So it was all acrylic on this fiber. And then we did it again, uh, Virginia Avenue Park. 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He fills his artwork with all kinds of stuff, and I wanted to honor him, but we could have done it simpler. We could have painted on the wall. But at that time, you know, both of us, it was a pandemic. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4775.02,4807.616"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e The heat of the pandemic, we painted in. It was from '20 to '21. And so everything added up to something I wouldn't want to do again. 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Just I would, and not being afraid of mixed media and doing something monumental. You know, I that was something I'd like to be remembered of, with, about, and doing the research, you know, how to go fully into a job and make sure we're teaching something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4849.75,4940.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSPEAKER_S3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4940.81,4941.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, that's that's part of our goal. We're, it's got to be there to to, you know, student goes, what the heck. Why did they do that or it's obvious. Oh look at that. You know, it's... 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There's history and education and uh, I would love to be known more more for my personal artwork, but I haven't done a whole lot. All my time has been mostly with public art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=4959.26,4985.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. 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And my family, you know, together we live right now, we live comfortably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=5005.59,5014.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727#t=5014.41,5015.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/154693/file/283727/transcript/82059/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDavid Botello:\u003c/strong\u003e We're not, never been a struggling artist. I've done a lot of work. 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