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I'm in the Octavia Lab podcast room, about to do an oral history interview with Bob Zaugh, who is one of the donors of our Los Angeles Resistance collection. Welcome, Bob.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=7.04,25.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=25.97,26.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's get started and tell us about your childhood, where you were born and where you grew up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=27.26,33.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in Torrance and lived in Gardena. And Gardena was, it used to be called Strawberry Park way back when. It was a Japanese American, heavily Japanese American area. I lived in the unincorporated county. The Japanese population lived in Gardena proper. And, well, here's something for you to look at: That's a picture of my sixth grade class [shows photograph]. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=34.37,63.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=63.93,64.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So you notice that we are all white except one Nisei boy, Jerry Kajitani. And I'm also the smallest person in the group and what I didn't find out until later was I was a year younger than everybody, you know. So I started out, you know, sort of as a leader in the school. But when I switched to Junior High, I'm instead of being the captain of the team, I'm standing in a cold wind on the on the gym field, being the last one chosen because I'm a foot shorter and a year younger. So that that had a big effect on my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=64.11,104.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us a little bit about the community you grew up in. Um, you you hinted at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=105.9,111.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, okay, so one of the things is that, uh, I didn't find out until I was in Junior College, El Camino College, that one third of Gardena was Japanese and they all went to camp. Some of them were born in camps. People in my grade and all the grades above me were born in camps that were Japanese American. Never heard of it, was never mentioned, ever, in school by a teacher or a student or the Nisei students themselves. Some of them didn't know it until they grew up, that they'd been born in a camp. One of the people in my class was born in a camp. and his parents, as he was growing up, they would talk about camp and he thought they were talking about summer camp and he finally learned that he was he was born at, like Santa Anita racetrack and raised at Manzanar, Gila Bend or places like that. So that's pretty shocking to find out about that happened and nobody ever talked about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=111.78,178.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=178.78,179.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=179.68,180.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, what is your favorite memory of the place you grew up in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=181.03,186.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, well, you know, a positive memory was, it was actually February, like, when I was getting ready to go to. I was in middle school, and it rained really hard and me and my two friends went down to this construction site where they, you know, they have little hills, you know, where they're getting built houses, they have hills of dirt and we started throwing these clods at each other. And this other group of kids showed up and they were on bikes, and they started picking up clods and throwing it at us. And we did this for two hours. There was no animosity. We never got their names. It was just totally friendly. And then one of them said, \"Well, I got to go!\" and they got on their bikes and left. It's the best memory from my childhood. It's like, Stand By Me. You know, it's like Gordie Lachance and and Chris Chambers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=187.96,247.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=248.36,248.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So that's the best memory of my life. And when I lost track of my next door neighbor, I contacted him about 20 years ago, I hadn't seen him since high school, and turns out he was a draft resister, too. There was only me and him, and I didn't know that he was a draft resister. And my friend Marty Harris, who's in the archives, we're the only draft resisters in Gardena. And so I asked him if he remembered this incident when we were on our bikes. And he said, I just talked to my wife about that yesterday. So we would all watch Stand By Me whenever it came on, we'd get in contact with each other. That was my favorite memory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=250.04,297.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e You talked about all of the kids, some of them who might have grew grew up in camps or in Manzanar and didn't know about it, and that it was never discussed. What kind of things were discussed when you were a kid at school? Like, what role did activism play in your childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=298.1,318.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e None. Well, you know, Gardena was a conservative area. The talk I remember most was in Junior High. This guy, Doctor Neil Young Park, came in and he spoke about Red cloud over Asia, and it was just like, find the communists and get rid of them. And, you know, we bolted out of that auditorium. I thought, maybe my parents are communists? Maybe I need to, you know, that's how it was. And the high school was very conservative. So there was no activism at all. And I was pretty conservative. I used to write about communism. I turned in an anti-communist essay, and I kept redoing it and sending it in when I was in Junior College, until I finally got a different view of history. But there was no, no activism that I knew of at Gardena High. One of the things about the Japanese American population is that the most popular guy in our school, and he was one half grade ahead of me, because at that time you had a winter and summer graduation, his name was Vince Okamoto, and he's in the last two episodes of the 18 hour documentary on Vietnam because he was the most decorated Japanese American soldier since World War Two, and he was from Gardena High, and he became a judge and unfortunately he was part of the Phoenix project, which is I think that's where you push people out of helicopters and so on. But he was a great, great guy and he was born in camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=318.98,421.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you in touch with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=422.58,423.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e He passed away. Uh, you know, I went to all the reunions we have, I went to those, and he was he was a really popular guy. And so the way they handled it was they had had all their property taken literally overnight, I think it was like February 11th, 1942. Japanese Americans all over had to turn themselves in. This spot in Venice is at the corner of Venice and Lincoln. There's a big monument there. That's where people had to stand in line and get on whatever they got on to go to, maybe Santa Anita for a while, and then off to Manzanar or some other camp. So what they did was they went they were born in camp, but whoever was Japanese, they came back to Gardena. They didn't talk about it. They just worked really hard to take back control of the city that they deserve to run. You know, I, I had nothing but positive prejudice for, you know, Japanese people. If somebody were to, you know, cut in front of my car and I'd get upset and pull up next to it and I'd see that they were Japanese, I'd go, okay, that's okay!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=424.26,499.354"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when did you find out about it? Junior","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=502.03,504.567"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e College. My sister, I think I just got into El Camino. I think she told me about it, but they also didn't talk about it there. I just heard about it and looked it up and, uh, yeah, it's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=504.567,516.681"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was the catalyst and when did your activism years start? Do you tie that directly to UCLA. And when did when did that begin for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=518.08,527.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one or two more things from my childhood. One of the things that happened in my lily white neighborhood was a family got really angry, and they they decided they were going to sell to a black family, only they didn't call them that. It was like threatening: We're going to sell. And so the whole neighborhood rose up to try to talk them out of it and try to figure out what to do, except for my dad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=527.15,554.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=554.69,555.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And that that had a big effect on me. He was the only one in the neighborhood that wouldn't cooperate with that. He was not a racist. And so that's something that stuck with me. So when I, when I got out of Gardena High, my dad had left, gone out for pork chops and I'll be right back going out for some pork chops. Came back 29 years later when I tracked him down. So, you know, I started drinking, I became an alcoholic, etc. I barely made it out of High School. I had a 2.49 GPA. I'd been straight-A student in the ninth grade. And then I go, okay, I know how that's done. And I just stopped, and I barely made it out. So I qualified for El Camino, and I went there because I wanted that deferment. You know, the war was just starting up. I was started out in 1962, and it was clear that we were getting into something there, and I wanted that 2S deferment. And so it started heating up, I became a little more aware of the war. And so when I went over to UCLA, I was applying for a 2S deferment again, and then I sent another letter off that said, I don't want to apply for that. I need to start thinking about this war, and I don't want the privilege of a deferment while I'm doing that so keep it. And I went to UCLA and then I heard David Harris. I started UCLA in '65 and I heard David Harris in 1967. And that's what changed everything, that and the Watts riots. And the Watts riots were in August '65.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=555.08,673.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And we tell us a little bit about your experience there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=673.8,678.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'll tell you plenty about it. Well, you know, I lived in Gardena. I lived on Murray Compton Boulevard and a half mile away was Rosecrans Boulevard and that was the edge of the riot. That's where the white neighbors were guarding with rifles and shotguns. So the riot didn't really hit us, but it was right next to us. And, you know, the whole city came apart. It was horrible. So I decided to volunteer, you know, sort of a, you know, perhaps it was a leisure time liberal, but I wanted to see if there was anything I could do. So after that, I went down to Watts and I volunteered to teach reading to kids. And then from there I heard about Operation Bootstrap. [coughs] I heard of Operation Bootstrap, and that was on 41st, and I think it was Avalon or Central Avenue, and it was a self-help program started by Louis Smith and Robert Hall to try to get the community to lift itself up. They didn't want too much government control of what they were doing, so I started going there. They had these black and white encounter groups on Thursday nights, and I would go down there and it was like Ron Karenga, Ernie Smith, of course, Robert Hall, Lou Smith, Ron Karenga became Maulana Karenga, who created what is it, Kwanzaa, among other things. And they would there would be about 40 people there, all white. And my friend Marty and I, we were the youngest ones. And these black actors, they would just hound you and like, scream at you. They would go up to nuns and lift their skirts up and so on. It was a real confrontational thing. But I kept going. I wanted to know what was going on in the community. So I went for a few months. I remember going down there and driving this guy around town because he didn't have a car, and his name was Hakim Jamal. And if you look him up, he had quite a reputation. He related to, I guess, Malcolm X, but he ended up getting murdered many years later. And if you read about him, he was involved with Jean Seberg, and the FBI was planting stories that he'd impregnated her, and she committed suicide because of these stories. Anyway, I drove him around the town a few times, and finally I heard David Harris. I decided that he was right. And that evil is a participatory phenomenon, is what he said. And the first response can be to withdraw your participation, and you do that by turning in your draft card. And, you know, we kept going to black and white encounter. And finally Lou Smith told me and Marty we were the youngest people there, h said, you guys, we got this down here. You need to go back to UCLA. You need to end that war. And so that's what we did. Marty and I went back to UCLA, where we known each other since Junior High, and we were roommates, and we turned in our draft card together. And, you know, he went off to prison, and I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=678.33,898.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So where was David Harris at this time when you when you heard him? Was he in Stanford?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=899.3,905.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he was at Stanford. He became student body president. And then he decided to let go of that, and he decided to he created the Resistance. There was a lot of action around the country turning in draft cards, but he decided to really organize it so he would go around and speak. So we had him down here. I brought him down a few times. I would drive him around. And he was really effective. Really effective. Most effective speaker I've ever heard. 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That was also, if you've watched our film The Boys Who Said No, you'll see what happens during that week, it's a whole week. And in Oakland there's a huge confrontation with the police. The first day is kind of draft resistance, turn in. And then it sort of broke down into rioting and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=939.24,966.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us how that evolved, the draft card turn in. I mean, whose idea was that and how did it work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=966.87,971.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think one of the first people was David Miller, turned in his draft card, and I guess he went to prison. But people realized that the government passed a law, I think it was in '65 that it was illegal, you had to have your draft card and you couldn't destroy it. So that became a rallying point: Let's turn in our draft cards, let's violate this law. And so they organized draft card turn ins. And, you know, we organized October 16th. I was a little too early for me, but I turned mine in on December 4th. So between the 16th and the 4th, that was six weeks. The resistance started to form. And a bunch of us meton Thanksgiving weekend doing a three day fast in front of Lawry's The Prime Rib on La Cienega Restaurant row. So we're going to fast. And you know, that's where we met Winter and Sherna Gluck and Bill Garaway was there, and we organized--I didn't, I was just a participant--we organized a draft card turn in for December 4th, and ours was at the First Unitarian Church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=971.79,1046.211"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So, had the LA resistance chapter already been formed, or what is your recollection of how the chapter was formed? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1046.77,1055.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, Sherna Gluck was a big, big organizer. She was kind of heading it up and we had meetings at her house. And Winter, her first name was Karen Dellenbach at the time, she had been hired by Donald Kalish, a Philosophy professor who brought, uh, Angela Davis into UCLA. And that was big trouble. He hired her to run a Vietnam Summer office. And so that ended up being the office of the Resistance and SDS. And we started organizing there. And that was after the draft card turn in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1055.59,1094.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e For for anyone listening who has no experience with what the Vietnam War was and how it affected students and how it created this activism, can you give us a little summary of what it what it meant to students and how that affected your work in the resistance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1095.34,1118.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, people, most people didn't want to go to the war, so they wanted that 2S deferment. And for me, uh, I'm white, you know, I didn't have any money. I really couldn't go anywhere to school, but I could get a 2S deferment. And that's a point of privilege. You know, it's white privilege. And that's one of the reasons I turned my card in was because it was just unfair. So people had turn in their car cards were respected, and, uh, we organized a sort of a religious service at the First Unitarian Church and twenty two of us turn in our cards and we'd step to the podium and and make our speech. And then we had two goblets: One was filled with blood and one was just a goblet. And I put mine in the one without the blood, because people were uptight enough already. You know, you do the blood and that all they see is the blood, and now they're upset about it. So I wanted to be clear about what the message was. So I put mine in the regular goblet and, you know, it was covered by TV. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1119.44,1198.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e how many people were there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1198.23,1199.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e The church was filled. It was the First Unitarian Church that was filled. And, Tom Brokaw was there, I think he interviewed me and, uh, you know, I felt, well, you know, the FBI is probably going to come pretty quick. And they did. They were I heard a car door slam four days later, and I just knew it was the FBI and it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1199.58,1222.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e At your apartment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1223.19,1224.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1224.03,1224.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1224.78,1225.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, for starters, I had been smoking a joint. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1225.92,1229.795"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1230.3,1230.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, you know, I looked out the window, I see it's the FBI, they come up the stairs, and I had just washed my hair and I was drying it, and they came in and I turned around. I see the joint and the ashtray and I put the towel on top. But their purpose is to frighten you. They're not going to arrest you. They didn't, I don't think they arrested anybody like that, just come to your house. They didn't do that. They wanted you to change your mind, is what they really wanted. And I think I could have changed my mind up to and maybe during my trial, you know, they just didn't want to prosecute us. And so, for me, what happened next was, you know, I had I'd turned in my card and then they they ordered me for a physical and I went down and I took the physical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1230.6,1284.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1284.94,1285.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e This was, uh, also '67. I turned in the card on December 4th. I had my physical on the 28th and I flunked it. I have rheumatoid spondylitis, and so I flunked it. I would never pass it. And so they sent me a 1Y. And when I took a look at the 1Y and I read what the Selective Service had written about what these deferments are, it's all to pressure you and move you around into various spaces they want you in. So back in World War Two or earlier, maybe the Korean War, if you flunked a physical, you were done. You were no longer subject to the draft and they couldn't control you. They wanted to keep pressuring you. So what they did was they created 1Y: So you flunked the physical, but you're still under our our purview, and we're you're going to have to come back every year and and until you're 26 or something. And so I realized that I was just another cooperator in the system. And so I turned that in, I sent it back and that's a felony, as is turning in your draft card. And, uh, so the next thing they did with me was they sent me a 1A or something. I sent that back in. And then they called me for another physical on May 29th in 1969. And, I went down and I refused the physical publicly. So that's a felony, clearly a felony. And then they sent me an order for induction, and that was August 27th. And I went down there and I refused induction publicly and that's a felony. And because I'd had the 1Y my case took a lot longer to develop. In the meantime, a lot of people had trials and were going to prison. And we went to all of the trials. Joe Maizlish from UCLA, he had he had one of the first trials and he went to prison. And and then Bill Garaway had a trial and he was convicted. He was sentenced to five years, but he appealed and he won the appeal. And that's in our film. And so he didn't go to prison. In fact, the Judge's son, the Judge, was using the five year sentences. \"You know, my son's north of the DMZ, and, you know, and you're going to have three meals a day.\" And his son came back and wrote him a letter and said, you know, this war is wrong. And so Curtis, for whatever reason, decided to let Bill Garaway go free, you know. He cancelled, flipped his sentence. One of the big demonstrations we had was a kid named Greg Nelson. He was a non-registrant. That's somebody who's aware of what's going on, much earlier than me. He refused to register at the age of 18, which is a felony. And so they...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1285.78,1487.501"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us a little bit about that process, the Selective Service Process and what you needed to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1487.52,1491.876"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e You had to, we had to register for the draft at 18, and then you could apply for various deferments. And so you could apply for a 2S, a conscientious objector, etc. You could, there was various things. Or if you flunked a the physical, you get a 1Y. But they really wanted to keep controlling you. They wanted to, you know, pick things they wanted you to do, and sort of pressure you into making that choice. So Greg Nelson didn't, uh, he wouldn't register. And they he had to put up $1,500 bail and then they didn't do anything to him. Finally he said, \"Look, either take me to trial or give me my money back.\" And so they decided to indict him and he was called for trial. Now, my understanding is that the week before his trial, I think he saw the movie Beckett, you know, where they make the they make the authorities come into the church and do their business. And so Greg decided he wasn't going to cooperate. So on the day of his trial, he sent his mother into court and we were all there too, we were in court. And she said that he didn't recognize the courts, and he was going to go into sanctuary and church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1493.85,1579.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, tell us about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1580.29,1581.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So we, I will! We printed up a map as to where it was going to be. It was, I think it was near Figueroa, maybe Adams. Anyway, so it was a church that was going to be like 5:00 and, so we all gathered there, and and Greg wanted to make sure David Harris was there. So Harris was flying to Los Angeles to be part of this thing. And we were going to have a big deal there at the church. We had a big chair and an altar, and we had Harlan Weitzel and I think Father Louis Vitale. We had, you know, several priests and ministers, and they would be chained to Greg. And then there was another ten or twelve of us who would be chained with smaller chains to all of them. So we had like 15 people, roughly, right in front of the church. And Greg couldn't get in. He was like, they had FBI everywhere. They were looking around corners, and we couldn't figure out how to get him in and he was waiting for David Harris. So finally David Harris arrived. So finally Greg got in a car and he just pulled up front and they didn't have a picture of him. And so he just got out of the car and walked right through the FBI into the church, up to the front, stepped into the chains, and they chained him. And then we started the service and the FBI allowed it to go on, they didn't want to interrupt it. They were going to let it go on. So Greg spoke and David Harris spoke and this guy Billy Spire showed up and he turned in his draft card. And then finally, when it was done, they pulled out these big bolt cutters and cut Greg loose and took him, took him to to to jail. And then then he had his trial and he defended himself and he went to Safford, Arizona and spent his time in prison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1581.61,1710.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Was this the first sanctuary and the only sanctuary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1710.71,1714.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, this was October 1st, 1968. We had, uh, I think later that year we had a 30 day sanctuary. We had an AWOL marine, AWOL army, an AWOL Navy, and we went out to the Quaker meeting house on Orange Grove Avenue, and we just moved into the church. We were there 24/7 because we wanted to protect these AWOL soldiers and, the FBI didn't want to come in there either. And we would be there on Sunday when they had the Quaker meetings and finally, you know, one by one, the guys would get tired or they'd go out to the store or something, and they they all got arrested. And so that was the end of that. But that lasted 30 days. And there were other sanctuaries around the country, including people in the service, which these guys were. But Greg had the only resistance sanctuary in Los Angeles that I'm aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1714.4,1779.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, what demonstrations were taking place at this time? If you want to talk a little bit about that, as notably the one against Dow Chemical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1779.99,1788.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, the Resistance was always doing stuff. You know, we were very creative. Uh, one that I remember, I think it was at Whittier: We went out to college graduation, and everybody went into the church for the graduation, and we pounded a bunch of crosses in the ground outside, because this is where you're going to go now that you're graduating, you won't have a deferment. So that was, uh, that was one of my favorites. Um, and we had another one where we on Hiroshima Day, we started planning in advance, we were going to have a no war toys thing in Inglewood. We're going to march through Inglewood and go to Centinela Park and have kids turn in their war toys. And we had Judy Collins singing, and we tried folding the thousand cranes that Sadako Sasaki tried to fold before she died of radiation cancer from the bomb in Hiroshima. And only two kids turned in their in their toys, but we we enjoyed, you know, we we did our stuff whether people showed up or not. We would we would sort of wander through ROTC marches at UCLA. They'd be like in formation and we'd walk through them. And what else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1789.05,1879.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you get the word out? How did you people know what was happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1879.63,1883.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Telephone trees. You know, there was none none of this stuff we have now. There was there was a telephone, there were flyers. You know, we had, uh, Jerry Palmer from the SDS had bought a small A.B. Dick, put it together, you know, and then started printing with it. And then he brought it to the Westwood office, and he taught people how to print. And I took it on, and that became my deal. I was obsessive about it. And so we would print up, uh, flyers for the induction center or UCLA, and we'd pass them out. I printed up 10,000 copies of the Manpower Channeling document by the Selective Service. This is in their own words. They tell you exactly how they're pressuring you and manipulating your life. And so I felt that's this is the most effective thing we can hand out. So we did that. And we kept getting kicked out of places. You know, we got kicked out of uh, we were on Broxton at, at uh near UCLA. Who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1885.36,1950.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e ran the office in Westwood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1950.86,1952.779"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e It was sort of shared between the Resistance and SDS [Society for a Democratic Society], but Donald Kalish had, you know, put up the money to, to run it. And the Resistance was pretty good at collecting money. You know, we were linked up with Max Palevsky of Scientific Data Systems. He gave us money. Joan Baez. Of course she would do concerts and give us money. The Playboy Foundation gave us money, and then we sold marijuana and used that to support the Resistance. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1953.53,1993.512"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. You your you did things that were disruptive. How did you disrupt, uh, others, you know, being inducted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=1994.63,2004.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e We didn't we didn't try to disrupt those being inducted. We would go to the induction center and pass out flyers and talk to people. We didn't try to block them. And we also studied the draft laws of the lawyers who were defending us, usually for free, set up draft counseling classes where they would teach us all the technicalities of the law, and then we would set up counseling places. We had one at our commune and by the Unitarian Church. We did it at Papa Bach Bookstore, the church in Ocean Park and we would tell everybody all the alternatives how they could, you know, get deferments and we, you know, developed a bunch of non-legal and not illegal stuff, but like, here's where you should apply for a conscientious objector status, this draft board right here, the one by UCLA, they're giving them out. Or you could switch your induction to a physical to another state. And, you know, one of the people I know really well, he bought Peace Press, he was told to put on some weight and then slightly bend over when he's doing the physical, because then he would be shorter and his weight would put him over the limit. So we would pass on things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2004.98,2097.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Tips and tricks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2097.64,2098.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, tips and tricks. And, then at the very end, we would explain, here's what we're doing. You can do any of this stuff you want, but here's what we're doing in case you're interested, which is total non-cooperation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2098.45,2113.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e So tell us about when you got arrested and that entire process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2113.69,2117.655"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let me go back. You wanted to know about Dow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2118.34,2120.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2121.49,2121.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So, Dow: Apparently there was a march on Dow in 1966, and then, uh, I think people wanted to do it again the next year, but they weren't allowed. They wouldn't allow a permit to get near Dow. So they they gave them a permit--and it was after our draft card turn in--to march through Torrance to go to the Civic Civic Center. And, you know, Torrance is a real conservative city. That's where you couldn't buy a house if you were black. You know, Marlon Brando marched in Torrance. So, you know, it brings out all the jocks and people who just want to attack you. So, you know, we were on a march and the police sort of protected us but there was people that were trying to attack, attack the march. And there was I think about 900 people showed up for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2121.88,2181.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2182.72,2183.374"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we had Dow demonstrations at UCLA also where we'd take over the administration building. And that's how Jerry Palmer, who was the key person in the SDS, I think he got he got expelled from UCLA for Dow work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2183.47,2203.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Well, what was your major in college? Did you have time to study? 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I attended his class long after I'd graduated from UCLA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2211.62,2240.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2240.9,2241.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e For 18 years. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2241.77,2243.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e you're just crashing his class after the afterwards?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2243.42,2246.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. And I would bring people, you know, from Peace Press and, you know, everybody loved this guy's lectures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2246.21,2253.439"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us a little bit about Peace Press because that was something that was very important to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2255.18,2261.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, shall I get into, uh, the trial? Because that's what leads to Peace Press. So well, Peace Press, Jerry formed it. You know, uh, and then we kept getting kicked around town. We got kicked out of, uh, Westwood Boulevard. The the guy that owned the building was a right winger, he booted us out,. And we moved down to Third and Santa Monica Boulevard. And the Fire Department came in and they said, \"This step is one inch too high. You're evicted!\" because they didn't want us printing. Then they just rented it out to somebody else. So we ended up in a garage on Venice Boulevard and, East of Western and Printing. And Jerry would set it all up and I would just go in and print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2262.26,2317.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Was he doing the graphics, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2317.68,2319.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Jerry did a few graphics. Uh, that hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2319.99,2324.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Very vibrant graphics. Yeah. On your material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2325.0,2328.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e He was mainly, he was a real technophobe and what changed Jerry was he was a graduate student in nuclear something. And uh, he went to witness the bomb blast at Johnson Island, and it turned the sky like noon at midnight. And he decided that he was heading in the wrong direction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2328.06,2353.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a turning point for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2353.83,2355.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e He became an activist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2355.15,2357.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2358.42,2358.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So, uh, I wasn't arrested. When my indictment came down, you know, I just went down and turned myself in, and you were released on your own recognizance. I would go down every Wednesday to the Federal Building. At 10 a.m. they would release the lists of all those who had been indicted for all crimes from the Grand Jury. And so, 35% of those on the list were for draft. It was taking over. People were not showing up for the draft. So I would look for anybody we knew on the list to let them know that you've been indicted, you're going to be arrested. And so I turned myself in and then they gave me an OR. And, you know, I kept doing what I was doing, printing. 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You just have to, you promise to show up when they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2417.74,2422.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e When they call. Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2422.36,2423.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e when they do that. So, you know, everybody was had been sent to prison and was getting out of prison. I had roommates at our Omega house, Mike Schwartz, Richard Profumo, and Jack Whitten, and they were all they all went to trial, they all defended themselves. They were all convicted. They all had the same Judge and they all went to the same prison. They went to Lompoc. The judge was Judge Harry Pregerson. And so he'd sent these guys to prison. And so Schwartz went to prison. Turns out Pregerson visits all the people he sends to prison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2423.32,2471.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Whoa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2471.78,2472.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e There's no other judge that does that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2472.23,2474.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2474.3,2474.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Never heard of it. So he went up, and I found out this from him later, you know, many years later. And he [Pregerson] went to visit a bank robber and he looked on the prison manifest, and he saw Mike Schwartz's name there. And he goes, \"I thought he was picking corn in Arizona,\" because most people went to Safford, which was a minimum security prison. The fence was desk high. If you want to hop over and run off in the desert, go ahead. They didn't care. So he, Schwartz was in the hole, because he wouldn't cooperate at all. He wouldn't wear clothes, he wouldn't shave, he wouldn't eat. He went on like a 30 day fast. So Pregerson visited him in the hole and said \"You want out? Maybe I can get you out.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2474.93,2531.894"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's remarkable. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2531.99,2533.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Schwartz says, \"No, I'm fine in here. I'm fine.\" It was a lot safer in there, actually, than being in the general population.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2534.48,2541.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e How long was the longest sentence that any of them received?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2541.74,2545.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you could get five years and you could also get consecutive sentences. Very few people got five years. You know, Bill had been given a sentence and then he won his appeal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2545.07,2555.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Bill Garaway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2555.96,2556.715"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Mike was given three years, and so apparently Pregerson came back to LA and he consulted with, he had done the ceremony to make somebody a lawyer, you know judges can do that, and it turned out it was a guy who was going to be my advisory Counsel, and he was going to have him do something for Schwartz. But I guess Pregerson just filed a writ of habeas corpus. And so they brought Schwartz into the court. And I was there, I was at all the trials. And Schwartz still wouldn't cooperate, he wouldn't stand up for the judge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2556.75,2595.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2595.81,2596.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And they had to pick him up like, and Pregerson goes, \"Case dismissed.\" And Schwartz goes, \"Thank you, Judge,\" and leaves. Now, my memory is that Schwartz came to my trial, I don't know. Then Richard Profumo was another roommate. These are people, we're living in the same house. And he was given two and a half years, and he was in the hole in Lompoc, and Pregerson visited him and asked him if he wanted out, he goes, \"Nah, I'm fine.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2596.26,2631.767"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2632.38,2632.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And he let him out. And the third guy was Jack Whitten. Jack Whitten went on KPFK radio the day he was supposed to turn himself in, because he usually had time between your conviction and you could get some time. And he goes, I'm going to be broadcasting here until 3:00. If the FBI wants me, they can come, come get me. After that, I'm leaving. And so they didn't come because they don't listen to the cable and they. And so Jack took off and nobody knew where he was. So my trial comes, starts coming up. And the way I, we, I prepared for my trial was I didn't study the law or anything like that. I would leave Peace Press where we we now had a print shop in one La Cienega. I would drive up to Tuna Canyon, and I would sit by a creek, and I would read Thoreau, and I would read Lao Tzu, and I would read books about the forest. Nothing to do with the draft at all. I'd seen my friends transform when they went into the courtroom to defend themselves, and I'd known Marty for ten years, since he was 12 or 14. And, you know, he just came alive for the trial. And I wanted that for me. And it was highly unlikely for me. So I would do that, and then I would go back to work. And finally I was indicted, and I was told to show up for my arraignment, and I wanted Pregerson as my judge. I'm not sure why. Well, I felt that he was fair, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2632.83,2736.674"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e You felt that he cared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2737.28,2738.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e He let people defend themselves. So that's who I wanted, you know? And my friend Marty had the worst judge in America, Manuel Real, and that guy was he wasn't good at all. And he was my arraigning judge. Well, that's a relief, because you're arraigning judge can't be your judge. So, he was arraigning me and he ordered me to have advisory Counsel, even though I was going to defend myself. He ordered me to have advisory Counsel. So I had Michael Pantzer and Terry Amdur and they went over, you know, what would go on in court and I started preparing for my defense. And, you know, I had it all planned out, and I was reading Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda, and in it he's like 6 or 7 years old, and his sister has a a boil on her leg or arm and he goes, \"I'm going to have a boil just like you tomorrow.\" And she calls him a name or something like that, and he goes, \"And yours is going to be twice as big.\" And the next day this happens, and he's like, he's a little kid. And his mother tells him and says, \"Words manifest our reality. You must always tell the truth.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2738.42,2828.461"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2828.81,2829.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so that's what Paramahansa Yoga learns from that lesson, is to always speak the truth. And so I realized that I had to speak the truth in court, and I couldn't be afraid, or my words would never make it to the stage. Now, when I was 12, I was in the Boy Scouts. I knew all of the constellations by name. I knew the top ten stars, their magnitude and their names and where they were in the sky. And I went to this jamboree, Boy Scout jamboree. There's 400 boy scouts there. Our troop had like 30 people and there was 400 people there. My scoutmaster ordered me to get up and lecture the audience of 400 people on astronomy, and it scared the hell out of me. It ruined my life. I don't know how I did, I just know that once I left that thing, I never spoke again in public. My last name starts with a Z. When they did oral reports in alphabetical order, they'd get to W, I wouldn't show up for class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2829.32,2898.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2898.12,2898.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And when it came time to move from El Camino to a four year school, I was accepted at Long Beach State and UCLA. I didn't know one from the other, but I knew that Long Beach required one semester of public speaking and I wasn't going to do it. So I'm terrified of public speaking, yet I'm going to have to speak at this trial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2898.45,2919.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. How did you muster that courage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2919.28,2921.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I did. Praying is what I did. So I read The Autobiography of Yogi, and I had everything ready but the closing statement, you know, what I wanted to say at the end, if I got to speak at all! And it was deposited in my brain that night as I slept: It was just boom here it is! And so I, I went to the courthouse the next day and walked in. And you know, when they said, all please rise, you know, I felt this, you know, bolt of adrenaline, fear pass through me, like wham! And it passed through me, and it was gone. And from that moment on, I was not nervous. It wasn't nervous at all. And so, you know, my case started up and Pregerson didn't want me to defend myself. But he's super fair, you know, and he went through all these questions and he says, \"You realize that you have two five year sentences that I can run consecutively.\" In other words, ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2921.32,2992.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2992.96,2993.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said, yeah, I know all that. So he went through all this stuff and then he, he said, \"Okay, you can defend yourself.\" And then the prosecutor turned in my draft file. That's all he needed to show. It had all the proof that I refused induction. And then he turned it over to me, and the first thing out of my mouth--and I was carrying The Autobiography of a Yogi--I brought that into court.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=2993.47,3021.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3021.32,3021.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Just as protection. And so I said, the first thing out of my mouth was \"On May 29th, 1969 I did refuse to take a physical. And on August 27th, I did refuse induction.\" Right out of my mouth. I'm guilty. And I said, then I said, \"I'm going to tell you, I'm going to explain to you why I could not cooperate with the draft.\" So I went on for ten minutes, I just read-- I have the transcript, I think I sent you guys a transcript--and I went on for over ten minutes, and the prosecutor finally objected. He goes, \"This is you know, I'm going to object to this. This has nothing to do with anything.\" Because basically the trial is this: Did you refuse induction or did you not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3021.8,3082.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And you already said you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3083.46,3086.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so they could object to what you were saying. And if the judge agrees with them, your case is over. And, Pregerson says \"What you say is, is true. But I'm going to hear Mr. Zaugh.\" [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3086.79,3102.196"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. Fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3103.2,3103.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I was able to, uh, get at it and say what I wanted to say. And I think the most important thing that I said was, my favorite thing was that, you know, how this the manpower channeling controlled our lives. I said, people are making decisions not because of their own choices. They're making them out of fear. So I pointed out that on August 26th, 1965, they made a new rule that after that date, you could no longer be deferred if you were married. So people lined up down the streets of Las Vegas to get married that night. Not because necessarily they were in love, it was out of fear of the draft. And then after that, in order to be exempt, you had to have a child. So people started pumping out children. Not that they were ready to have a child, but because it would get them out of the draft. And then I explained to them, I said, \"I think that if if they made a a deferment for butterfly collecting, that people would all go down to the draft board and say, you know, I'm really I'm really interested in butterfly collecting. I'd like to get one of those deferments.\" And that's what I saw the draft as. And so Pregerson convicted me of, he interrupted me and he had my advisory Counsel make an argument--I understand the courts much better now: It's about making an argument, doesn't have to be correct--about was my induction speeded up by the government because I was a, you know, a delinquent and so on. And I knew the cases Breen versus US and Gutnick versus US: The government played my case perfectly. They did everything right. But they argued that they hadn't done everything right. And Pregerson was looking for a way to get me off the refusing of induction, because they had a gentleman's agreement to give you three years in prison if you got convicted of that. And so he absolved me of that and he convicted me of refusing to take a physical, which is still up to five years. And I wrote a letter to the court saying--they wanted me to work in the national interest--and I said, the national interest is Peace Press. We print for the Communist Party, the Black Panthers and ACLU, and that's what I'm going to do. They should have just put me in jail and they didn't. They just didn't. So I did that. So I, I really got into Peace Press and we developed it as a business that lasted until 1987.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3103.98,3288.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3288.79,3289.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And, uh, we printed for Skyhorse Mohawk, you know. I got a call from inside Ventura prison. I'm running the press. These two guys called me up. They're being held for murder, and they called Peace Press! [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3289.45,3307.173"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3307.93,3308.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so we got involved in their trial. We printed flyers and passed them out. We went to the trial. We did a lot of radical stuff at Peace Press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3308.77,3317.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have any funders or did you rely on donations or how did you keep that going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3318.11,3323.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one other thing that happened was in 1972, Peace Press burned to the ground. And, uh, you know, I had my trial and so on, but we burned to the ground. And a few months before, the landlord had come to me and said, \"You know, your lease is coming due, and I'm not going to renew your lease.\" And he goes, \"You know, you have to be out on January 9th.\" And, uh, I took out the lease and I said, \"You're wrong!\" They said, because they have in order to avoid mistakes, they have the the timing done three places in the lease And it said three years, typed out 36 months typed out. And then it said 1972, which is the wrong year. It's supposed to be 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3323.39,3381.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3381.84,3382.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I pointed out, it says this is three years. It's next year. That's the night we burned down. So I'm pretty sure it was the landlord wanted us out to rebuild, and burned us to the ground, and we weren't making any money. We didn't make money, so we'd been robbed and so on. But what happened after that was people sent us money. You know, we didn't even know people knew we existed. But we got like $100 from House of Hospitality, which is the Catholic worker people who live in intentional poverty. And $1,000 then is like $2,500 now. And they sent us money. And, uh, the Irving Wallace family sent us money, and, the Sheinbaums sent us money, and we realized that, wow, we are actually important to this community. And so we were out of business for 48 hours. People, other printers let us-- because we didn't have a press, we didn't have a building--they let us come in \"You do our printing, we'll let you print\" and, you know, we we ended up with our own building later, and we lasted for a long time and we did a lot of good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3382.29,3462.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's an incredible story. Do you have examples of all of the stuff you printed? Have you do you have an archive of everything printed by Peace Press?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3462.27,3470.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we don't have that. However, when the Pacific Standard Time started up from the Getty Trust, they picked 60 museums to do 60 different shows and University Art Museum at Cal State Long Beach picked Peace Press. So we had a huge graphic show there in 2011, I guess it was, for like 4 or 5 months and we we have 190 page catalog. And it was the start of the Occupy movement so I was able to go in there as a, as a docent or something and talk to the audience about political activism. It started me, you know, publicly continuing to be political.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3470.82,3520.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Talk a little bit about that. It sounds like, well, your first role model was your dad standing up to others in his neighborhood. And your activism continued throughout your UCLA years. But after all of that and after the trial and to today, how has your activism changed and what does it mean to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3520.18,3542.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, after, you know, I stayed involved in things because Peace Press was naturally involved. We printed for 4 or 500 different political groups. I didn't even know there were that many, but we printed for all of them. Everybody came. And the conscious, the sort of left leaning business world, came to us. The Laemmles, we printed for the Laemmle Theatres for 15 years. And just three weeks ago, I got a letter from Greg Laemmle. It was the FBI file on, was it Max or Bob? On on his father, Bob Laemmle. I didn't know he was. They were accusing him of having Sirhan Sirhan at a meeting at his house because somebody looked like Sirhan Sirhan, you know? And so he sent me all this. This was just within the last month. So I'm doing stuff with Greg Laemmle. I got arrested at Diablo Canyon in 1978 on Hiroshima day. You trained for that: They didn't want people doing civil disobedience that hadn't been trained. So I went the year before, but I hadn't been trained, so I respect that. I got trained and we formed these people. Who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3543.22,3625.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e did the training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3625.16,3626.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I forget who, you know. There's people that were doing that, James Lawson was doing that until he died. I wasn't in any of his classes, but there was classes around. So we formed an affinity group. And, uh, I don't consider myself a leader, but I can usually put forth an idea, and you got to pick what you wanted to do when you went over the wall at Diablo Canyon. So I said, here's what I think we should do. We'll print up backstage passes that we have a right to be there and it'll say Occupation, Transformation. I'm going to go to TreePeople talk to Andy Lipkis, have him give us a bunch of trees, and we're going to climb over the wall and we're going to we're going to plant trees until we're arrested, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3626.66,3681.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell us about the Diablo Canyon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3682.26,3684.371"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e At the very end, I'll show you the picture, I have the picture of our backstage pass. So we went up there and we climbed over the wall, and there was hundreds of people doing this, and hundreds of people that came to watch it being done. We climbed over the wall and we started marching up the hill, and we planted our trees. And then then the police came to confront us. And, you know, \"You have X amount of time to disperse\" and blah, blah, blah. And so they arrested us and they put us on a bus and they took us to a huge sort of a prison camp, and we ended up with 487 people arrested. And we were there for... When","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3685.32,3732.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3732.27,3732.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e This was August 6th, 1978. And so all these affinity groups were inside the place, and you would meet because the group had to make decisions, and then your spokesperson would meet with the other spokesmen and you'd vote on stuff. And a lot of people are there just to hassle the government, you know. So, I put forth the motion-- it was 95 degrees--I said, \"If we're in here and we have all these police here holding us at bay and a forest fire starts, we need to volunteer to fight for it. We're here for the environment.\" People were opposed to that. And this guy, Stephen Gaskin got arrested. He started The Farm. It's a really famous commune that still exists. And I knew him, and I'd been to The Farm and I'd put him on TV and so on. So I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3733.11,3796.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was this? Where was The Farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3797.65,3800.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e The Farm was in Tennessee. And these guys were, these were activists from San Francisco. They kept talking about a new way of life and finally they decide, let's go do it! That's a story in itself. Anyway, I invited him to join our affinity group, which he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3800.89,3818.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And is that similar to Struggle Mountain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3818.41,3821.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Struggle Mountain would go hear Stephen Gaskin speak. This guy was effective. Get 1800 people doing an ohm chant, you know, Ooh! So, anyway, these people got arrested the second day, they were from Santa Barbara, and they go, they're having the meeting of of decisions being made, and they go, \"Well, we just got here. We haven't had a chance to confront the police, so we don't care what you've decided. We're against it.\" Well, that means you're holding us in prison. It's not the police. The police want us out of here. So that's what I learned from that. And I felt we were being manipulated, but by the people that ran it because when they saw Gaskin there, they didn't want him to talk. They did not want Gaskin to talk because he was for real. He was for peace and he was for real. And, uh, so he didn't get to talk. But anyway, we got out of there. So I did that. And then in the mid '85, I started getting arrested at the Nevada Test Site with a lot of people. I was arrested there nine times. Every Hiroshima Day and Nagasaki Day and so on. I went out one day, I got arrested twice, and I was with Father Louis Vitale, and he got arrested 12 times in one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3825.25,3919.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3920.06,3921.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e you know that just transformed the whole area. People going out there every year in the baking sun to get arrested. So I did that. And the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3921.35,3932.017"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Father Vitale had quite a role with the Resisters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3934.43,3937.063"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3937.64,3938.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e He was quite an activist himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3938.12,3939.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was, he was. I went around and I interviewed all these people that had done--this is starting in 1989--all the people who had done major acts of civil disobedience. I wanted to hear their stories and it wasn't like, it was in person. I don't care where you want to meet, I'll be there. And so I interviewed Brian Wilson, the guy who had his legs cut off by the train. Paul Watson, who runs the Sea Shepherd, which was the boat that would go out to try to stop the Japanese fishermen from killing whales. David Harris, of course, Daniel Ellsberg, Philip Barrigan, Daniel Barrigan, Elizabeth McAlister, Mubarak Awad, Ramsey Clark, he was Attorney General of the United States of America. Bob Moses, the black activist that went down into Mississippi to organize the the the voting rights things. And Mitch Snyder, who went on the fast that forced Reagan to give the D Street shelter to the poor. I interviewed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=3939.89,4019.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever get a chance to talk to Judge Pregerson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4020.07,4022.523"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4023.34,4024.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you interview him or did you just have a conversation or how did that go? What was your relationship like all those years later? And when did that happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4024.81,4033.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, okay. So in 19, uh, I think it was '98, we printed for Terry Sanders. He and his wife are Oscar winning filmmakers. Maya Lin. You know, she did the film about the wall in Vietnam, in Washington, D.C. so he did this film called Return with Honor, and it was about the shot down pilots in Vietnam, which included Stockdale and John McCain and so on. And, so he invited me to the premiere. He never invited me to a premiere before. So I go to the premiere, and when it's over, it turns out a fundraiser for the Homeless Shelter for Vietnam Vets in Inglewood, started by Harry Pregerson. So Pregerson was there, and then a few, weeks later or months later, I go to a UCLA football game and he's being honored at halftime at UCLA football game and go, it's time. I've always wanted to thank this guy for, you know what he did for me, for allowing me to speak in his courtroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4034.14,4106.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4106.92,4107.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I wrote him a thank you letter, and he wrote back immediately. An I took it to, uh, I drove down, I showed it to Terry Sanders, and he started weeping just from reading what Pregerson had written. And Pregerson, he says, \"Of course I remember your trial. He says, whatever happened, he needs the other trial.\" So he names the other trials. And so what happened next? So, nothing happened. But finally, ten years later, Winter and I decided to do a Resistance reunion. And I was doing the contact stuff and she was organizing it on paper and keeping it all together so it could be mailed out. And I wanted to invite Pregerson. And so I called him up on the phone, like at his house, and he answered the phone. He goes, he goes \"I don't usually answer the phone, but I saw your name and picked it up.\" And so I invited him to the reunion, which was starting in an hour, and he said he couldn't come. He said, \"But if you have another one, I'll do it.\" And that's where I heard him tell me about, Well, I visited people I sent to prison, and he told me that Schwartz story. And so we sent a couple letters back and forth, but I wanted to meet with him in person. And but he had like, a, a staff around him that would just they were guarding his privacy. And now he was he was on the Court of Appeals, you know, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. And so finally, you know, I started working with Gary Tyler, the youngest person on Death Row in America. In 1989 I was asked to work with him, and I've been working with him ever since. And I worked on not getting him out of prison. I'm not a lawyer, but I worked on his life after. If we could get him out of prison. He finally got out of prison in 2016. He was sentenced to death, and he had an execution date of May 1st, 1976. And he got out of prison. I flew back there and I brought him to Los Angeles and set him up here, and got him his jobs, started setting up his speaking tours, raised money for his art studio, which allowed him to become one of the most famous artists in the world overnight. Anyway, I decided that's how I can get to meet Pregerson. I will bring Gary Tyler to meet him because they should meet. And so I finally, you know, I finally got a meeting and I figured we're going to meet for ten minutes, but and he was going to have coffee with us out in Woodland Hills, but when his staff heard that Gary Tyler was coming, they said, \"Oh no, you're not going to...we are all coming to this meeting.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4107.399,4309.719"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4309.78,4310.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And so we had this meeting in his office and it lasted for 2.5 hours. And he's just the greatest guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4310.14,4319.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4319.71,4320.19"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Greatest guy you could imagine. And, uh, you know, he told Gary, he said, \"You know, if you're going to get married, I'll perform the ceremony. You know, we'll get together if you have another Resistance, you know I'll come to that.\" What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4320.22,4334.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e an incredible human being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4334.08,4335.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. But a year later, he passed away and I got an email from Terry Sanders. He says, \"I wonder if it would be possible for me to film the the memorial.\" And he he had no contact with the family, but I did, and so I contacted the family. They were devastated. They weren't thinking about films or anything. But they they allowed allowed me to set it up. And so Terry Sanders came and filmed it himself, you know, an Oscar winner filming this thing. And then he showed it to, uh, Dean Pregerson, who's also a federal judge, and they looked at it and go, this is a film. And so they made this film called The Ninth Circuit Cowboy: The long Good Fight of Judge Harry Pregerson. You should put a copy in the archives. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4335.58,4393.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4393.15,4393.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. And so when that came out, I. And I had some advice for him. I said, you need to go down to his office and film before they tear it apart because it's got everything in there. It's got pictures of all of his interns and externs, eight by ten photos, like 150 photos. He keeps in touch with everybody. He's the most loved guy. And so they did, it's in the film. And what's most impressive is if you've watched the hearings where they'll ask Hegseth or something, some question \"Oh well, I don't answer, uh, hypothetical situations.\" And the woman, Tulsi Gabbard, \"I don't respond to hypothetical situations.\" Well, in this film, Alan Simpson asks Pregerson the question. He goes, suppose you had a case where you had to decide the case based on the law or your conscience. What would you do? And Pregerson, his answer was, \"My conscience is based on the Boy Scout oath, the Marine Corps hymn.\" Uh, and one other thing he says, \"I would decide based on my conscience.\" He answered the question directly, and it's the only time it's ever been asked. And he's the only person who would probably ever answer that truthfully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4394.08,4488.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4488.03,4488.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e maybe, maybe Ruth Bader Ginsburg would. And he ended up on the on the Court of Appeals and died on the Court of Appeals. So you can watch it on Amazon Prime. It's a 55 minute. And so what we do with that film is we go out and we show it in law schools, because I think people need some models of integrity in law schools are where lawyers and future judges are passing through. Let's show them integrity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4488.63,4517.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Um, well, that leads me into the other question I wanted to ask you about. You're really involved in going to schools and you talk to high school students and, tell us a little bit about that and why that's important for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4517.64,4533.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we're doing Pregerson's film was being done and The Boys Who Said No was being done, and at the same time Ken Burns released his 18 hour documentary on Vietnam and I go, \"Wow, finally, our story will be told!\" And so I sat down to watch the 18 hours, and I finished it and there wasn't one word about draft resistance or specifically the Resistance. Nothing. Now I fall asleep during Law and Order and had never seen a verdict. Jerry Orbach, would make an arrest and I'd see the arrest, and then I'd come to. And three people are walking down the hall and it says Dick Wolf [aughter] never saw a verdict. So I figured I must have fallen asleep during this, these 18 hours. So I watched the whole thing again. And it was there was nothing there. And so I had had Gary Tyler speak at LMU, and I called up a professor there and said, I would like to speak in your class about the war in Vietnam. And he says, Okay. He says, \"Might only be five people, but okay.\" I've never done this before. And and I said, \"I don't care if there's one person there I'm going to do this.\" And so I went down and it was 20 people. And I asked the first question I asked is, how many people in here are aware of the war in Vietnam? That was a long time ago. Two hands out of 20. That's shocking. And one of them was from China, where they actually study the war. And the other person was 40 years old, so they were much closer to it. So I can sort of understand, it's been 60 years now, but it's too important because of what the Resistance did was we ended the draft. We did that and we shortened the war. And so I think that what we did can be looked at by the generation now, and they can maybe put some twists and turns on that to come up with strategies for what they're facing, which is much worse than what we faced. And so, I speak every semester at least once. In fact, they asked me to come to almost every session of the class because, you know, not everybody's going to do civil disobedience but I point out that, things are starting to use about 1 or 2 people. Greta Thurnberg holds up a sign, now look at her. Just one person sitting by the side of the road. There's a woman in Venice. When Jay Penske illegally bought the Baptist church in Venice to turn it into a mansion. She walked up those stairs and sat there with a sign and it took seven years, but she got that church back from Jay Penske. Now I want to interview her because I want to hear her story. But that's what one person did. My friend Allison Hurst, our kids went to school together. She started passing out sandwiches to homeless youth on the boardwalk. They opened her four story building last month at, uh, on Lincoln: SPY, a safe place for youth. The county's turned over all of their stuff relating to homeless youth to SPY. So one person can start something that can become an institution and it creates social change. You don't have to do civil disobedience. So I'm out there doing that and I like doing it. I really like doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4533.87,4755.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's very inspiring. Um, I remember the first time we came to see the archive at Bongo Comics and met you for the first time. Um, how did you start compiling the archive? And what was the process where you felt that LAPL was the best home for the archive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4756.16,4779.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, a lot of people collect stuff. They, you know, they've been collecting it all their lives. I lose stuff, so I wasn't one of those people. So there was that going on. And then, Winter, in organizing our reunion, she asked people to write memories up. And so a lot of people wrote things up and sent it in. And so that's how it got going. And Sherna [Gluck] or somebody, they were pushing for putting our our archive at the Southern California Library, which is sort of a leftist, communist oriented thing on 60th and in Vermont. And I went there. We did a music event there, and it's like, this place isn't going to be around and they're not even interested. And so then I went to UCLA and they were way too, uh, they weren't really interested either. And so then I sat down with I was sitting next to Sarah Pillsbury, who I've known for almost 50 years, creator of Liberty Hill. And I mentioned to her that we wanted to do an archive and blah, blah, blah. And she goes, \"Call John Szabo, here's his number.\" And I and he answered the phone and he agreed immediately. He said, \"I'll send somebody over to get the stuff,\" you know. So, you know, we had a bunch of stuff and we collected more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4780.14,4868.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Incredible. How do you hope researchers and students and the public at large will use this archive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4869.45,4878.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, hopefully they'll come down and look at it and it will create some motivation in them. I don't know. You know, this is a kind of a a maze getting in this building and finding stuff. So I don't know, how is it going so far? What what status is the archive in these days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4883.86,4906.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we have a finding aid for the archive. And we have items that are queued for digitization. And anybody can come and view the archive and the contents at any time. Of course, we also had our exhibition back in 2018, which was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4906.39,4924.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e That was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4924.72,4925.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e It really was nice to focus on the Los Angeles Resistance. It was in our smaller Getty Gallery, and we also printed a newspaper, if you ecall, I think I have quite a few copies left in my office of, um, articles from the Resistance and just to give people a sense of how information was disseminated in those days. I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4926.22,4950.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e very familiar with that newspaper because I have hundreds of copies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4950.86,4954.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4954.64,4954.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e And I pass them out to all the students I speak to at LMU. They all get that paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4955.0,4962.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Wonderful, wonderful. What do you think is the enduring legacy of your archive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4962.38,4969.13"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't have an answer to that. It's up to people to, you know, to find it. And by the way, can you can you access it from home? You have to be here in person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4973.21,4982.641"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to be here in person. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4983.05,4985.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Will there be a way, at some point where parts of it can be accessed from...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4985.69,4990.615"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e Depending on what's digitized? Those items can be online? But for the most part, people identify what boxes they want to look in based on the finding aid, which is also available on Calisphere and Oac.org and they make an appointment to come in and anyone can make an appointment. It's free. I mean, that's one of the things that we are so proud of as a public library that all of our materials are free and accessible to the public at any time. Bob, how personally, how would you like to be remembered?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=4990.76,5027.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBob Zaugh:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, you know, as somebody who, you know, worked hard for for truth and peace and, you know, I'm not that visible, but I'm very active.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419#t=5029.49,5046.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2796/collection_resources/144672/file/267419/transcript/77334/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAni Boyadjian:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. 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