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Good morning. My name is Christina Rice. I am the Senior Librarian of the Los Angeles Public Library photo collection, and I am here this morning with Greg and Manson Jones, two of the four sons of Wyman Jones, who served as our City Librarian from 1970 to 1990. Today is August 28th, 2024, and we are recording this at the Octavia Lab at our Central Library. So good morning. So to get started, could I have each of you introduce yourselves and just give us some background information about you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2.45,34.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm Greg Jones. I'm the oldest son of Wyman Jones. I'm 70 years old as of April 21st, 2024. We moved out here in 1970, when our father got the job. So I was starting 11th grade. We moved to Palos Verdes. I you know, I won't whine about it, but I thought it was a really traumatic thing at the time because I had lived in Texas my whole life and left all my friends behind. But now I always tell people it's the greatest thing that ever happened to me. So I came to California and got out of that and just went to my 50th high school reunion. Went to college in San Diego, got a degree in English and communications from UC San Diego. Took a little time off and then I went to UC Irvine. Got an MFA in fiction writing. Also met my future wife, who got an MFA in poetry writing at UC Irvine. The writing program there. I'm the father of two children, Matthew and Austin Jones. I've lived in San Diego the last 30 years. Worked as a professional writer and teacher my whole life. Early on, I was teaching college and writing and publishing a little bit of fiction, a couple of unpublished novels, and then my wife got a job. It was the 900th employee hired at Microsoft, and we moved to Seattle. And then she said, they're looking for writers. After about a year, I went and interviewed, and they offered me a job for twice as much money as I ever made in any teaching or writing job. So I got into tech writing, and I retired a couple of years ago, and I plan to live happily ever after in San Diego, California with my wife, Karen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=36.11,162.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I do have to give you credit for driving up from San Diego this morning on a weekday to downtown Los Angeles, so thank you for doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=163.38,169.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I've been happily married for 37 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=169.95,172.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Good morning. My name is Manson Jones. It's Manson, not Mason. I drove in from Pacific Palisades this morning. I'm a semi-retired software engineer. My educational background is in physics and electrical engineering. I was a radar engineer on the stealth bomber for ten years. Then I worked in visual effects for a long time, working for places like Sony Imageworks and Dreamworks. And then I kicked around for a few years in different startups and sort of Silicon Beach area. I got here because I made friends with our local librarian in Pacific Palisades, and so she was the one who connected me to the library. And so I'm very happy to be here and I'm really glad this worked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=174.93,236.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Thank you. So now that we know a little bit about you, we'll move on to Wyman Jones, your father. So can you give me some basic general information about him, his upbringing, his schooling and his career before he became involved in librarianship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=237.28,252.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think he was-- he grew up in St. Louis, Missouri. He's an only child. What we have discovered is that his father--so he was an only child, I remember him telling me that as a teenager, he published a poem in a national journal. What's always been kind of mysterious to me is how he developed all these all these artistic pursuits, living as a only child with two very strict religious parents. So somehow he figured out. I remember him telling me stories that he would wear his zoot suit and sneak out when he was 16 years old to see Louis Armstrong and Miles Davis play at jazz clubs in St. Louis. Which to me boggles my mind. Like how how would a 16 year old young man know how to do that? Get the clothes, sneak out of his [house], how did his parents let him? How would they [the jazz club] let him in when he was underage to do this sort of thing? And he was playing piano. He told me there was an illegal club that he was playing piano at when he was a teenager, and that his uncle was there and his uncle saw him and he saw his uncle. And they both knew that they weren't supposed to be there. And so they never mentioned it to either one of them ever again. So that's sort of like--And I say that not because I understand it, because it's just part of the mystery to me. It's like, how does somebody so whatever this these tendencies he had exhibited themselves very young. Past that I don't really know that much. I know I don't think he was a great student. He bounced around from a lot of different colleges. I don't know exactly why or how. His story isn't that he was a stellar student and he had won a Rhodes Scholarship or something. But he ended up graduating, I'm not sure from exactly where, but I know-- I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=256.24,398.949"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e think it was Adams State Teachers College. 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And I would just add that as a kid is he was sort of raised by a classic--I don't know if stage mom is the right term--but he was in classical music, piano lessons from early age. I literally I think she imagined--Sonny, she used to call him. He was very much an only child of a doting mother. She imagined him as a Van Cliburn, like a classical pianist. So I'm with Manson, it's fascinating to wonder at home, with these two Midwest farmers spin off parents who wanted him to be a classical pianist, where did he start developing these jazz chops? Because he went to the University of Iowa. I don't see it on here [the resume] but he was in the Iowa Writers, at one time the most famous writers school in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=415.19,472.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e The Writer's Workshop. He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=473.27,474.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e was there. He wanted to be a fiction writer, but I know that he and my mother used to talk about that. I think there were just two of us born then, and he would go off--He had a union card, was a paid jazz pianist, and drove around to make money to buy food. While he was at the Iowa Writing Workshop. He was also going out and playing jazz gigs all over that part of the country. So he lived a very interesting and diverse life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=474.56,505.574"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And he had one crazy story--there was someplace he was playing one of these jazz gigs, and it was time to go, and somebody pulled out a gun and put it on the piano and said you'll play-- you're done when I say you are or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=505.94,520.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother also told me once--this is sort of odd because I don't know any more details except this, my mother told me that he was once in a car accident with five men, and he was the only one who survived coming back from a gig late at night. And I never heard, even later in life when they were divorced, and I spent a lot of time with him, and he used to tell me a lot of stories that surprised me. Never once did he ever mention that. And she said he was so traumatized by it. But he was an extraordinary--he was a professional musician at one time, a very good piano player. And later, I got the impression after he flunked out of a few colleges, he joined the military, and then he met our mother. She was the base librarian down in Bryan, Texas. He had a bunch of overdue books, and she used to say she literally marched down to his barracks and demanded to get her books back because she had a small library. That's the one photo I'm going to send it to you. I have a photo of this great one of her in the library, in the stacks at her little library. And so I was born on that Air Force base [Bryan Air Force Base] and the next brother Mark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=520.64,602.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was her name? What was your mom's name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=602.52,604.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Janet Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=604.44,605.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And just as mysterious to me as the origins of the music is the origins of the magic. Because we've got pictures of him as a young man pulling a rabbit out of a hat. So apparently he was I don't know if he was performing or what, but somehow he found his way. So these two passions that he had till the day he died were established very early in a context that I wouldn't-- East St. Louis was a jazz hub but I don't know if there was any--I don't know if he saw magicians perform when he was young or what the origins of that were that went strong his whole life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=606.15,644.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e But they're both kind of nerdy. The kind of things you do by yourself, you know, practicing music, practicing magic. And also it's he's an only he was a classic only child. He was very much--I don't know how it went for Manson later because I'm older, but my friends would come over in high school and I would go back to use the bathroom, come back, and my dad would suddenly be doing magic tricks or playing music, and they would all be gathered around him and it's not really when you're that age, it's not the most thrilling thing, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=644.19,677.021"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e But the one that that I will never forget is the night you and your friends were having a big party. And the curtains to the front window of the house were closed, and Wyman came out and did a magic trick, and he had somebody pick a card, and then he said, \"Oh, it's the jack of hearts.\" And everybody went, \"No, that's not it.\" And he went, \"Oh, hey, could somebody open the curtains.\" And on the inside of the window, one of those oversized stage cards like a foot tall, was the card that the person had taped on the window. And can you imagine a room of college students? It's like the place went nuts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=678.06,726.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Might have been some drinking involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=727.21,727.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e But but that was just like Saturday night at our house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=728.41,732.267"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a typical. But at my 50th reunion, which was a year ago, there were people still asking me how he did that trick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=733.96,742.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know how he did it? No, he never revealed. 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And he ends up becoming a rebel guy hanging out at jazz bars. I mean, he apparently was sitting in at at jazz clubs in as a teen already, and I think he was going he went to Southern Illinois, which would have been in the same area. And there's another college he went to. I know there was two different colleges he went to in that area, and he flunked out because I think he was spending his time playing music and smoking cigarettes and hanging out in bars and somewhere he got enough chops that within only a few years--So he joined the military. He was the head of the marching band, and I don't know, we got to talk to our other brothers, but there used to be a photo of him in his Air Force suit sitting at a piano in the base bar with a cigarette in his mouth and a cocktail, playing. So he ran the marching band during the day, and he played jazz piano at night. Then he met our mother, the librarian. And then what she used to say was after he went to Iowa--he was a talented writer--he went there, he couldn't hack it. He had two kids, he had a wife, he was playing music, and he was distraught and wasn't working out. And she said, you know, I'm a librarian. You love books. You ought to think about maybe you should get a library science degree. I think some there weren't many men in the field then, and he was this very charismatic, very articulate man. And she she kind of read it and said, I think you might be able to excel. So he went. That's how he ended up at the University of Texas. And she was from Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=785.77,898.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So his path to librarianship was through your mom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=898.52,901.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. That seem fair to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=901.37,904.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=904.13,904.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And so and just looking at his early resume, he does seem like once he became a librarian, he seems to have really embraced the profession and was active, like in associations, and he had a monthly column in Library Journal. So was this like it seemed like he did take it seriously, placed importance [on]. Is that something that he conveyed at home that like his his profession--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=904.88,927.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll take this one because I've got a good answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=927.29,928.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=928.67,929.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think he would say all the time he was on a-- he felt that libraries were very important. But beyond that, I remember him telling me when he first got the job in Dallas, his boss, who I assume was the head of the library there, told him, you need to join Toastmasters. Like public speaking is a big part of this job and this is something I want you to do. So he joined Toastmasters, and got better at public [speaking]. I think really embraced that because there was performance involved. And I think that in general, he felt like his personal mission was to dispel the stereotype of librarians as having, you know, their hair tied up in a bun and shushing people. You know, he wanted libraries to be like vital parts of the community and for librarians to be seen as like, interesting, fun, creative people. And I think that motivated him more than anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=929.54,993.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I noticed also looking at this resume, it says he was an intern at the Dallas Public Library, which I didn't know, in [19]58. I was born in '54. So he had he had already wrapped up his degree. We had moved there. He started out as an intern, then head of science and industry [departments]. Then what's interesting to me is already by '60, though, he was Chief of Branches. Now, according to the way he told me the story, he thinks the main reason he got the job here-- besides he was just a talented guy, he really presented well, he had a lot of charisma--but he was a branch library expert. He was already being flown in when he was at Fort Worth. Fort Worth was a vastly expanding city. You know, the twin sister, younger sister of Dallas. Right. So he went over there and built these branch libraries and then started writing about it and was brought in as a consultant at bigger libraries. So when he came here, you can imagine that he would always talk about decentralizing. Of course, you work in the Central library, but the idea was to disseminate the books to all this with urban sprawl. It was kind of perfect, right? And that's interesting here [on his resume] to see that already he was Chief of Branches in the Dallas library system and in [19]60, '63. So that fits in with what Manson is saying, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=993.71,1084.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And I mean, it wasn't just librarian. It's not just that he didn't want librarians to be seen as boring and staid. It's like he just sort of the way he looked at the world, given his creative background. It was like there were creative people and there were not creative people, and he didn't really have much time for the people he saw as not being creative. Yeah, like I remember he loved to tell the story that he went he gave a presentation at an American Library Association conference, and he at one point he put on a gorilla mask. And what he loved about this story was that everybody was like, oh my God, I can't believe he's doing. But like, that was his whole thing. It's like, come on, people, lighten up, let's have a laugh. Let's have some fun. You know, like we're in the library business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1085.1,1134.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And there's this one of look at that one. I mean, that's a pretty good demonstration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1136.01,1141.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e One of our classic Wyman Jones photos in our collection is him with the clown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1141.89,1145.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e This guy Stuart was a really good trumpet player, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1146.06,1151.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember him telling me that there was a fundraiser down here, probably for to raise money for the Central Library after The Fire, and that some people from the I think it's from the Landmark Forum showed up and they all had on like superhero costumes, and he just said so immediately he sees someone who's eccentric and he just goes right up to him and says, \"Who are you guys? What are you doing here?\" And he goes, \"Hey, we're from the Landmark Forum. You know, you should come join our group, you know, and take a seminar.\" And he said, \"Yeah, you know, what you should do is come visit my library.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1151.55,1184.829"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he just kind of broke the mold when they interviewed him--correct any of this that you remember differently--but he and my mother used to say that I think they started out with 50 or 60 candidates. He was, I think 45 [years old] and the other 4 or 5 finalists were all in their 60s, were running like Chicago Library, these, these bigger, more staid and were more sort of classic librarian. I think they were men, and he was just this much younger, kind of hipper guy who played. And I think he was very good at dealing with the other people that ran the other departments and cities. He had lived a little bit more of a life, been in the military, and was a very articulate, fun kind of guy, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1188.52,1240.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So, yeah. So he does some, you know, in his career, he had a pretty strong trajectory. And again, by '63, '64 was running the Dallas/Fort Worth system. So in 1969, that was when Harold Hamill, who had been our City Librarian for 22 years, resigned to take another job. And it was a nationwide search. So I, I think there was around 52 candidates. And I know he was down--there was three ultimately. One of them was Ernest Segal, who was actually the head of Central Library. So and I don't know how he would have taken not he stuck around for a few years though, but missed out. So, yeah. So this guy comes up and so Manson you--My understanding is you were the first person in the family to find out that he got the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1242.25,1286.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Let the record show that I was the one who took the call from Sam Yorty. I was ten years old. We were living in Fort Worth, Texas, and we all, of course, knew that we were waiting for a decision from the city. What was funny about it was that I knew who Sam Yorty was already, because he had been on television after Robert Kennedy was assassinated. And so and there was a bit of a, there was some bad feelings towards Sam Yorty in Texas, for reasons I won't get into, but my parents went out and I was home and they said, okay, this is before answering machines. They said, if anybody calls while we're gone, be sure to take a message. And so I picked up the phone and it was Sam Yorty, and I recognized his voice because I had seen him on television and I knew that he was he was he might be the one who was going to make the call. So my parents were turned back to the house and they said, has anybody called? I said, \"Yeah, Sam Yorty called. He wants you to call him back.\" So we pretty much assumed that that meant that he got the job. So yeah, I spoke to Sam Yorty on the phone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1286.8,1359.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So all four of you were of school age at the time that he became the City Librarian of Los Angeles. So you had touched upon this a little bit that it was presumably a major disruption to have the entire family move. So what do you think was his motivation--I get that it's a big system and a big opportunity, but he's also moving his whole family and disrupting your lives. So what was kind of his motivation? And if you can talk just a little bit more about your whole experience of moving to Los Angeles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1361.33,1393.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, for me--they sat me down as the oldest I think they were really concerned about, and obviously my brother Mark. But, you know, I was kind of a pretty social guy, played sports and all that. So for me, they were really concerned. You know, we realized you're going to leave. I'd grown up with all these kids for 6 or 7 years after we moved over there. So, I remember two things. So we sat down and had the three of us. So we're going to we're starting with you because you're the oldest. We know this maybe could be kind of heartbreaking to you, but your father is going to make substantially more money. And we have four sons to put through college. And you're going to be the first one. So we have to do this. This is. And then along with that, I mean, I didn't really know anything about Los Angeles then, but obviously I knew it was one of the biggest cities in the country. So, you know, I was old enough where they could say, this is a huge career step for your father and financially for our family as well. And then my father, always being a guy who could find the angle and the levity, said, and you know, when you get there, I'm going to let you use my car and I'm going to tell you this beach you can go down to and look at the girls and I think you're going to feel a lot better. And this was like right down there in Redondo Beach. And he was correct. But it was actually, you know, this is about my father, not about me, but it was actually a very traumatic thing. It was it was not easy to do. Luckily, I was a basketball player. So I think that's kind of what saved me because I immediately became part of a team. I was lucky enough to make the team. And those guys are still there's 4 or 5 of them. Manson knows them well that are still some of my very best friends on Earth. So you know, otherwise, we moved to this beautiful community, right? I mean Palos Verdes is gorgeous, right? But my poor dad had to-- As I drove in this morning [from] Palos Verdes, it takes about 15 minutes to get off the hill from our house, and then another 30 to 40 minutes. So he was commuting 45 minutes to an hour each way for 20 years. And as these photos demonstrate he aged a lot just that-- the hours, as the father of four, and then everything that this job entailed which was huge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1393.07,1551.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And Manson, do you have any memories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1552.62,1554.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, to me it was fun. I didn't really--I mean, I was just surprised because people in Texas are very friendly. You see somebody in the street, you say howdy. My first impression of California was like, why are these people so unfriendly, they look at you weird if you say hi to them if you don't know them. Yeah, but otherwise it was pretty cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1554.39,1578.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e What grade were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1578.69,1579.943"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Fourth grade. But the thing that I mean. Okay, I have to say this. We moved out here during the middle of the Manson family trials. And I remember the first day of school, fourth grade. The teacher dismisses the class to recess first thing in the morning, and she asked me to stay back. And she sits me down and she says, \"Honey, I think maybe we should give you a nickname. Maybe we should call you Manny.\" And I said, \"Yeah, that's not going to happen. This is my name.\" But I think for my father, I mean, part of it, looking back on it, it was clear. I assume he knew about the Magic Castle being here. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1580.28,1622.19"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I was wondering if that was. That was at the back of his mind and motivation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1622.22,1626.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He loved show business. He loved people. He you love performers. So I think the idea of being in Los Angeles, I mean, and the L.A. Public Library had a history of having its eccentric directors. So I think not only was he I think interested in the job and, the it was better for the family things, but that he was going to be part of this tradition and that the the opportunity to come to Los Angeles, to Hollywood and film, and music, and television, and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1626.54,1662.844"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree completely, dream come true for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1663.48,1664.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was just like it was just like the ultimate playground for him. And he would hang out at the Magic Castle. The Magic Castle has these--he joined as a member--and so they have these member lectures on the [weekends] I guess Saturdays. And he was there all the time, you know. So, like, he would come back-- I don't know what other dads do. Do they play golf? I mean, you tell me. I never saw it. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1664.89,1698.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe coach their kids little league teams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1698.46,1701.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Right? But, no, he went to the Magic Castle and he'd come back with these amazing stories. There was some Indian magician, you know, who did some weird act where he would. They would wrap his head in bandages and he would drive a car, you know, just crazy. So he came back with these fantastic stories. And I think that, more than anything, was just the opportunity to be in this city that had all these creative opportunities outside of the library system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1701.43,1731.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so bear with me. I'm going to provide for our listeners a lot of kind of background and exposition. So Wyman comes and he's with Dallas/Fort Worth, which I think had around six branches. He comes to Los Angeles. So at Central Library, and I think at the time he comes in 1970, it's 61 branches plus the Bookmobiles and Central Library. And so the 20 years that he is here is a tumultuous time in the system's history. So less than a year after he takes over, Sylmar earthquake happens permanently shutters some of our older branches in some of our inner city communities. There are funding equity issues that are highlighted by the City Attorney's office that has to be addressed. In 1978, Proposition 13 is passed, which statewide initiative, which limits property tax increases and it decimates municipal and county budgets and so the library funding plummets. In [19]83, our Hollywood branch is destroyed by an arson fire. And then hanging over him from the beginning is what what we refer to here as the Central Problem. What to do with Central Library. So Central library is 1926. So it's coming in on 50 years when he takes over, but the collections and the staff had outgrown by the '60s-- it's kind of in a crisis mode that is never really solved. And so I think this had plagued Harold Hamill. And I think one of the reasons he might have moved on was just what do you do with Central Library? And it was and I think that was one of the reasons, he was selected because he had experience with branch expansions and buildings. But what do you do with Central Library was such a big thing and it was politically charged. And the Los Angeles Conservancy formed in 1978 because of this, because, you know, do we decentralize and just not have a Central Library? Do we renovate the existing building? Do we move it somewhere else in Downtown? So all of that's going on. There finally is a solution. So their decision is made to expand it. There's a lot of creative ways that I won't get into of how it's financed. And so while all of this is in play in 1986, there was an arson fire that just guts Central Library. We lose around 450,000 volumes of books. So all of all of this goes on during his tenure. So he had a lot to deal with. So how how much of the library does he take home to you guys on a regular basis? And how does how is he, like, managing and coping? And can you see the impact, like all this adversity is having on him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1732.06,1888.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember him coming home one day and saying, and he seemed in a particularly good mood. And, and the story he told was that there had been a labor protest, like the unions were protesting something, and that someone had sent a brick through the window of his office. And he said, there comes a point where the stress is so much, you just have to live. So other days he would come home stressed, but that day he just came home laughing because he had just reached a point where he just realized there wasn't too much he could do about it. Yeah, it was a stressful job, for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1888.34,1925.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I think Manson and Ross could probably speak to that even better. So we moved here in 70 and in '72 I went off to college and I'd be home in the summers, but, I mean, he was kind of a very stressed out person anyway. It wasn't odd or unusual at all to wake up 3:00 in the morning and to find him sitting at this huge dining table we had with papers spread all over it with he used to use these--the biggest iced tea glass you've ever seen--filled with instant coffee, the equivalent of 4 to 6 cups of coffee. And he would just chain smoke. He smoked two, at least two packs of cigarettes a day. Salem menthols? Or was he... 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But I remember one time I had taken the train up from San Diego, and on Monday morning he said, just go back with me to the library. I'll drop you off at the train station. You can go back. And so we got in the car in Palos Verdes. It was a 45 minute drive, and he chain smoked seven cigarettes and drank an entire iced coffee on the way to work at 7:00 in the morning before he got to work, he'd already smoked seven cigarettes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=1977.53,2018.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember seeing him one morning. He was shaving. He had shaving cream all over his face, and he had a cigarette going already. 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It's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2178.73,2180.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e not, Arco is going to be over this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2180.56,2184.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e But I heard the exact same thing from he said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2184.76,2187.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, this isn't an accurate. Sorry. It's actually these these two here, we're looking at a print. So it looks like it's taking all the different buildings. And it's not photo. It's not photo accurate. It's not geographically accurate. But these two are the Arco towers. Did you spend time here at Central Library or at the branches, at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2187.97,2209.407"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember coming down for the Lollapalooza, which used to be this big annual fundraiser and used book sale they would have. And I remember there used to be this ad on television about protecting the environment where this American Indian turns toward the camera and he's got a tear running down his cheek. Well, that Indian was an actor named Iron Eyes Cody, who actually was a Sicilian guy from New York who spent his whole career playing an Indian in Westerns. But I remember meeting him here at the Central Library at this fundraiser, and my little ten year old brain almost exploded to meet somebody who I'd seen on TV for the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2210.83,2258.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So your first big celebrity encounter. 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Who's the guy that wrote the famous...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2263.06,2285.089"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Will and Ariel Durant?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2285.81,2286.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Michelangelo. 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That was my salute to my dad's hot dog, everybody look at me thing. But I have a photo of me at one of these LA library things with this girl. And we're both riding unicycles and holding hands carrying these something LA library thing. So a little bit we, you know, we would get brought along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2289.68,2319.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And so as you know, we had discussed a huge part of our history is that fire that occurred in April of 1986. 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The other story is that he was at Pink's Hot Dogs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2334.06,2359.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e See, I've heard it was Oki Dog, so I don't know, but I don't know what. I don't know what's accurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2359.41,2364.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I know he loved Pink's hot dogs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2364.36,2366.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, maybe it was Pink's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2366.64,2367.941"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e What's the burger joint down here? He used to take me. I remember that sometimes I'd visit him and he'd take me to that burger joint. 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Yeah. Okay, so here's my story. What was the year again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2379.54,2385.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e 1986. April of '86.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2385.74,2387.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So I finished grad school. I ended up back east for five years, I lived in New Hampshire. I taught college for a while there, but I had moved back here. We helped our mother move out, and I was doing a part time job selling computers on Hawthorne Boulevard. And somebody at work said, \"Have you heard your father's library is burning down?\" And I said, \"What are you talking about?\" And maybe my wife, who I don't think was my wife at the time, called me and told me so. I mean, I took it-- it was very emotional for me. I was very concerned. I got in the car and I drove down here and remember, this is all pre-cell phone. So there was everything was. And then as soon as I got down here, I didn't think I'd made a mistake. I'm glad I came, but I remember I was across the street. They had already cordoned everything off and they had put the fire out and there was smoke, but it was just a you can imagine what, total chaos. But I was over on whatever that was back then, across the street, just watching the whole thing. But, you know, [in] cell phone days I would have just been called him. And, you know, he may have not have picked up, but I was just completely-- it was so surreal, just the whole thing. But also to know my father was in or around there, I didn't know anything. I didn't know where he was. I wasn't really I don't remember being concerned about his life or anything, but it was a tremendously emotional experience to to be there. And also remember, we grew up our our house. I even met my wife in graduate school and writing. I mean, we've been around books our whole life, our house, even though our dad was at the library, always had thousands of books in it everywhere. 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The really odd thing was that when my dad retired instead--you'd think he would have all these amazing library books, but almost all of his library was self-help. He was he had gotten terribly overweight and didn't really exercise much, but he read a lot of books about exercise. So he had all these self-help books in his house. So anyway, I'm straying, but that's my dominant memory is being over there and looking at it and just and of course, our parents were estranged then. So, you know, nobody really knew what was going on. And you can imagine how was there any time in his career. And by the way, I think to tie the two things together by the time when I painted that picture of him over here, a nervous wreck. That was right--that was after imagine, 16 years raising a family, going through a divorce, running this library system through all the things--then watching it burn down, having to raise all that money and then to be over here, that's what I was seeing, what was left of him after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2510.67,2581.144"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So that day that you came down here, did you ever actually find him that day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2582.56,2586.19"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no. Absolutely. By then they had cordoned off the whole area. You couldn't. You know, I don't even. I never ever remember talking to him about where where he was. I don't even know. I was just another person in the crowd. Once I got down, and I realized immediately there was no way I was going to find him. They weren't--I wasn't going to be able to say my dad runs the library, and they were going to let me through or something. It was a dangerous situation. And then it burned again. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2586.22,2619.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e In September, there was a second fire. Yeah. So that took out our music collection. 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Can you think of a worse thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2626.75,2637.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And at that time, by that time, he was living up at the Bunker Hill Towers in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2638.99,2644.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He walked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2646.25,2647.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e You could see the library from his apartment. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2647.09,2650.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2650.03,2650.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think there was a period where, you know, there were these inter building walkways like above. 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There was a few of those bridges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2662.18,2666.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it doesn't really matter, but, you know, when he told our mother he was going to divorce her, he said I he had already had of living. He was going to move down here and never have to commute on the freeway again in his entire life. He completely hit the wall in terms of his marriage, that whole lifestyle. So, you know, we don't we can all sit around and speculate to no good reason how or why two people end up divorced. But to me, when I first met my wife, she lived in Manhattan Beach and was from a huge Italian family here. And I said, you know, we were starting--I said, I'm not really sure I can ever live here. I vowed when I left that I would never live in the city and live that lifestyle, because I saw what it did to my father and my parents marriage. And then we ended up in Seattle, and then my wife wanted to move back. And it's not a coincidence that we ended up in San Diego instead of here because it was two hours away. Close enough to be here for friends and family, but not here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2666.56,2734.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e From what I remember from The Fire is the story that it was so hot that, you know, because the rebar that's something about the construction that when the firemen came out, they were spraying water on the building and it was evaporating on contact. 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So when my father retired, he was given a plaque from the fire chief, whose name I can't remember right now. And on that plaque is mounted a melted fire helmet from the Central Library Fire, from Company 33, which I think I met a fireman who said they call that division Fire City. I'm not sure. I think that's right. Anyway, so I have the melted fire helmet plaque in at my house, and we're hoping to display it when the exhibit for the 100th anniversary is launched.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2778.92,2826.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you don't have to hope, we will. I'm curating the exhibit, so it will be displayed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2826.17,2829.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2829.59,2830.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I can state that here and now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2830.61,2831.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if that would interest you either, but if you want it, you're welcome to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2831.87,2835.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2835.71,2837.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e The other thing I wanted to say is I just I just saw that I don't forget. I remember listening to the radio that like the KNX news radio when they finally years later, after they did all the fundraising and had the the library declared a historical monument so they could get these tax breaks and things and work when so that when the plan finally went through to renovate the Central Library, it was announced on KNX news radio and I was in my car listening and they they gave the report and they said, and now we're going to interview Wyman Jones, the City Librarian, and said, \"Mr. Jones, what do you have to say?\" And he said, \"I'm so happy I could dance the tarantella.\" And that was sort of like, and I'm sure that was practiced, you know. 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I hope it's out there somewhere. But we do have photos of Wyman playing piano on that. So even though you were all in adulthood by that time, were were you involved in any of these fundraising things? Did you participate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2895.44,2936.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I knew about it. Wyman loved to talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2936.85,2939.867"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He used to talk about Gene Scott alot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2940.21,2941.187"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He loved Gene Scott.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2941.2,2942.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He knew that guy well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2942.52,2943.564"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And after that, I think he used to get invited-- there was a big Christmas party or New Year's party. So Gene Scott was rich. I mean, if anybody doesn't know Gene Scott. Did you know Gene Scott? So he was a televangelist, and he would, but he would be on for hours and hours at a time. And he had this chalkboard and he would fill it up. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=2982.9,2984.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e did not, but Wyman used to love to talk because he said he had like a huge, like a very expensive gun collection. And I think he raised Arabian horses or something too. So Wyman loved him. 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Bradley came in around [19]73?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3016.59,3031.941"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, '73 was when Bradley came in as mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3032.71,3035.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e From '70 to '90 was our dad's period. And then he was there from '73 to '90 something. So every Monday morning-- and Ed Davis and and then Gene Scott, these characters, and the Pat Riley Lakers, the other person he used to talk about a lot was Ray Bradbury. Ray Bradbury took the bus down here and was here all the [time]. I remember studying Ray Bradbury in 1970. There was a short story collection Rod Flagler taught in my Palos Verdes High class, and so he was already that famous in the '70s. We were using his books, and he was he didn't drive. 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We went a few times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3225.32,3226.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I got to meet Dai Vernon. No, I mean, the most famous magician in the world was kind of lived in Los Angeles and would hang out there all the time. Dai Vernon. And I remember, you know, being introduced to Dai Vernon when I was a kid. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3484.5,3486.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e don't actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3486.18,3487.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He's Aptekar or something like. 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But what was interesting--my sense of time is a little skewed here, but I think it was when they reopened the library after--Do you know roughly when that would have been?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3533.26,3559.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e October of [19]93.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3559.84,3560.901"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. Okay. So I remember coming down here and walking the entire library, and there were still a number of people then. Unfortunately, I'm not going to remember their names, but there were a number of people at desks that I would just start talking to and they'd go, \"Oh, Wyman, how is he?\" There were people that were still around that, and he had been retired then. For how long would that have been? What year did he retire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3561.13,3587.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e [19]90. '90. 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So he had worked at this library for 20 years. He had raised the majority of the money that was used. And what I saw was they had a stage outside, and the mayor was up there with the new director, and they were up there, of course, lobbying and all that, and it was all good and it was beautiful. But I was going, wow, that's kind of interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3602.2,3631.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e That kind of that kind of segues into my next question. So in which we've already touched on it a little bit. So he remained city librarian long enough to see that there was a temporary Central Library that opened down on Spring Street, and he was around for that. But yeah, but he retires before this thing that he had been guiding for so long. So it sounds like he was just done. Like the stress of it all was just too much to not stick around those extra three years, you know, and I think Betty Gay, who was the head of Central Library by that time, I mean, she was, I think, the driving force and had her hand in absolutely everything. So I think he definitely was leaving that project to somebody who he obviously trusted. But yeah, I did always kind of go, gosh, he didn't stick around long enough. 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Did he voluntarily leave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3682.97,3700.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it seems like-- I don't know, do you know? I thought he did, but I don't know for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3701.39,3707.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He told me a story, and I'm not sure how reliable it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3707.24,3710.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Because Greg had mentioned, I think Greg had mentioned before we started recording that he's not--Wyman was not necessarily the most reliable narrator. 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You know, I think he was done. I mean, he was done before the library [fire] happened. And I think that he I think he was happy to have stuck it out. And it's interesting to I think again, that this the interactions he had with what he described as like the business leaders of downtown, I think was very rewarding for him. But it's like once the plan is in effect and the money's been allocated, I think he was happy to let somebody else take it over and ride it out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3745.64,3778.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree. And I want to go back to that vision, which is so vivid to me, stunned when I went to visit him. 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I just think he was he seemed--I've always felt like in 20 years he aged 30 if not 40 years. And then by he got--and so Portland--it was remarkable to me that he lived another 20 years. Now he had, you know, that age of medicine had come along, but he had stents. And, you know, they propped him up and kept him alive. But his--the unreliable narrator thing, by the way--and this was the shame about the woman [Susan Orlean] that did the book about the library--his last five years he had dementia. And it may have never--it was never the kind of dementia where you'd walk in and you didn't know who you were. but it was definitely the kind of dementia where he got really surly, really hard to deal with, would tell stories that conflicted with other stories. And I just wanted to tab real quick. I agree with Manson that, despite what I said, that I felt certain resentments myself--like, here are all these people taking credit for all this millions of money when I talked to him about it. I won't use any foul language, but mostly he was just--I don't think he--I'm not sure he would have even come. Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3787.55,3871.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I just think he was old and tired by then and and just I don't think he was very impressed by the new regime because despite what I'm saying--and he would he would kind of have this kind of aloof and or condescending attitude about it--he also still talked to a lot of people through the--as people will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3871.65,3894.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3894.51,3894.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e So he would feign this sort of disinterest and and sort of, \"Yeah, you know, to hell with it. It's over.\" But then he would always have these stories about what was going on. So as that's going to happen, right. You work all these people are still working desks at the library all over that he knows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3894.81,3915.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So did he ever come here after the renovation? He never saw it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3916.38,3921.996"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3922.05,3923.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember even talking to him about it, but that's just sort of related to what I just said. Where he just--he had moved to Portland, and he just got old, like he hated to fly. He was kind of a nut, a nervous guy anyway. He literally hated to fly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3923.61,3939.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, I remember that when he first retired, there were there were some opportunities that were presented to him to participate in some of these, like national policy making groups for libraries like that would would have met in Washington DC. I don't know what exactly what they were, but like federal government policy committees. And he's just like, \"Yeah, I'm not going to do that\" just because he didn't want to get on a plane and fly to Washington one time. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3940.05,3967.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e think the whole thing was a flight of fancy. But you know, he was just a--as a lot of older people when they get debilitated. He wasn't very happy a lot of times. And I just go, look, you know, if you want if you ever just want to do a power road trip, we could drive down there. Just because I was describing it--I came here one time and took like, you know, that entryway we went through--the big--I took photos of that and sent it and brought it to him. And, you know, he looked at it with interest. I said, you know, if you ever just want to do a power road trip down there to see it. But I just think that, I don't know, I'm 70 now. There's periods of your life where you just kind of go, hey, been there, done that. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3967.39,4009.144"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I feel as much as I've worked in this building for 18 years, and I have at least another decade or more. And I love Central Library with all my heart. But I do feel like when I retire, I am never coming back. Like I can, you know, I can tell as much as I love it, like I think I will be done so I can understand that. But I will say so when he retired though-- so we have documents from his retirement party. I have never seen a retirement party like that, like it was a massive blowout. I have like an agenda from a meeting. You can see all the different staff members being assigned to put this thing together. It was off site. Two of our now retired librarians, Glen Creason, who was our map librarian, and Roy Stone, who was one of our branch seniors and the head of our union put together this video like [quote/unquote] \"biography\" kind of roast, which in 1990, to edit something like that together is incredible. So, you know, I'm sure he butted heads with the staff over the years because every City Librarian does. But overall, I mean, it seems like the staff under him did have a tremendous amount of respect and affection for him. So did he ever kind of give any indication of, like, his relationship with his staff and how he felt about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4009.9,4090.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I the impression I got was that he was very fond of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4090.78,4094.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think despite anything we've said. Yeah, I think he I don't know, in our family, we always raised our sons to figure out what you love to do and do it. And I think he was a guy kind of like with me. I mean, I managed to just find a woman who was just so tailor made, helped me figure out, you know, what I was good at and what I loved to do and helped push me that way. And I just think that this was a guy that always grew up reading. He was kind of always by himself. He was a bookish kind of guy. And he met a woman who was a librarian. And I think for him to come to a place, and I agree, I really liked what Manson said early on. He was a guy who really had kind of a mission. I mean, I think he really felt for real--not in a corny way, that coming down here and disseminating books to peopl--he loved [books]. The guy was always reading. I mean, despite all the other things we're describing, any other time he'd be around or you'd find him. I remember he'd he'd always go back and he'd be asleep. He'd always be exhausted, so he'd be asleep. There'd be a book here, and the TV would be on. And then you'd wake up and go, dad, you ought to go to sleep. You got to go to work in the morning. He'd go, \"Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I'm fine.\" And then he'd just start reading his book again, and then you'd come back 15 minutes later and he'd be asleep again in the book. And this might happen 4 or 5 times. So it was always--it was his thing. He loved to do it. And I think by the end he-- to his credit, you know, and maybe the new girlfriend helped him figure it out, too, that you know--come on, you're just going to run yourself from the ground. I do think that if he would have kept doing what he was doing, he might have killed him. You know, because in that generation, he was a vodka tonic guy. And smoking two and a half packs a day with all that stress. When I saw him, I was also concerned about his health because he literally would shake. And then he got much mellower. Also, despite what we said, there was another 10 or 15 years. I don't know. [that] he just lived in that big old house by himself. And it was kind of weird and sad, but he just would always be doing magic tricks and reading books, and he could do whatever he wanted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4094.95,4232.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, my favorite comment I think he ever made was that his, his ideal living situation was this concept that he would live in a warehouse and he would have all his different hobby stations set up and he would have a golf cart and he could just ride around and visit each one. He'd have his little music studio and his little magic practice area, and his little library and all his little hobbies, you know. Like one time as a gift, I sent him a ukulele, and then all of a sudden he was playing ukulele. It's just like he just could amuse himself endlessly. In terms of the staff, I just want to say, I remember I don't remember the names of all the people, but I remember there was a man back then. They had a man whose job was to operate the elevator. And I remember Wyman, like, you know--this was the guy who took him up every day-- being very fond of that guy. And there was another gentleman, I can't remember his name who ran security, because I remember there was one time somebody had hoarded like 500 library books and they had to go out and like, bust some guy, go to the guy's house to get the library books [back]. 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So so there was a head of security, not just of the physical facility, but like in terms of getting books back that he that I think was also maybe a jazz fan that he was very fond of. So he would like not just based on I think for women it wasn't his appreciation of the people and the staff wasn't based on, like who was the most powerful or the most dynamic, but like, who was somebody he could talk to about stuff that they had in common, and he would say stuff like that a lot. I just don't remember the names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4310.01,4342.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So he retired in 1990. Did he move to Portland almost immediately after that? Or....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4343.34,4351.931"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Within a couple of years, I'd say. Yeah. Because we moved there. We were there in 1987 through--my wife and I, she got a job at Microsoft in Seattle, so we were there [19]87 through '94. And so he would have moved there--Would he already have been there? I'm sorry. When did he retire again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4352.28,4378.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e 1990.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4378.29,4378.644"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e '90. Yeah, okay, so we were there...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4381.17,4382.525"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so he probably went to Portland in [19]91 or '92. I don't know, it took a little while to find.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4382.61,4385.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And he married a woman who was younger than him. And she was the whip cracker. The thing about him, he was in that era, you know, he got married in his early 20s. And our mother was a very bright, you know, she always did everything else. You know, he did this-- is what he did. And she raised four sons, she was a hero in her own right. And so then despite he divorced her and of course, said he wanted to get out of that whole thing. But within a couple of years, he was already with the new, younger version. And so she did all that. Like she would fly up and look for the house, she found the house and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4385.52,4427.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So they did move into the house together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4427.47,4429.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, they were living together over at these--at some point, like I remember you--I assume it was the same--there's always this gap because of our age difference. Like when he was saying he was in fourth grade. I was in 12th grade. But I remember going over and having dinner with my dad and Inga with probably with Karen, I guess, before we moved to Seattle. Sure. So yeah, that was that was a thing for a number of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4429.75,4456.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So he passes away in 2017. 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We couldn't believe it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4463.44,4469.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And he never had lung cancer-- or did he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4469.35,4474.186"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he didn't. Okay--the thing was, as the oldest, I was the guy--like it or not, I had to deal with him a lot. I was the one who mostly called and went to visit him when he was in the hospital. So he had a terrible heart. It was all propped up with all these stents and everything. And so I can't tell you how many times different doctors said, one of these days you'll get a call and your dad will be dead of a heart attack. And that was for like ten years. And then he would have another surgery and they would say, oh, by the way, somehow it always seemed to be a different doctors, but they would go, you know, your dad's going to die of a heart attack. He has heart disease. And then Karen and I were driving back to San Diego one time, and this doctor called us, and I just I remember I pulled over to the side of the freeway and he said, \"I just want you to know your dad was in for his heart. And we did a chest x ray just randomly. and he has stage three-- there's cancer all over--stage three cancer all over his lungs and his entire chest cavity.\" So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4477.0,4543.573"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4543.573,4543.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Like a month [earlier] he checked out okay. Like it just--he went from zero to stage three in two weeks or something. 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You would think they'd be doing that all the time anyway. But even though I'm a heart guy, I don't know. But all I can tell you is that this guy said he's got it. And I remember I called these guys and they said. And he said, your dad doesn't want to do anything. He's already 86. He just said, take me back to my care facility. I'm just going to go naturally. And he did. But the thing was, I kept having to call them. It was supposed to be six months and then it was going to be three, and then it was going to be six weeks. And then they said, you guys probably ought to get here. It was unbelievable how fast he died once he was diagnosed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4560.67,4602.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it went from he has three months to he has three weeks to he has three days and like and those were updates on successive days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4602.05,4611.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Our one brother didn't even make it there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4611.2,4613.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. 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And I'll just go, well, you know, I mean 87.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4617.11,4632.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And he smoked that much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4633.19,4634.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Like for 50 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4636.01,4637.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. But there's a crazy story about his passing because he loved music. And I've heard stories from other people that very often when someone's towards the end, they'll sort of, you know, be sort of asleep and then they'll pop up, but then just go right back to sleep. And so one of his favorite songs of all time was this song by Nat King Cole. And what Wyman loved about--and he used to, like, lecture me about this song. He goes, listen to this song because-- it's basically a novelty song--a guy goes into a restaurant and he wants water, but they won't serve you water for free. You have to order some food. So he's ordering these things that don't exist in the hope that they'll go, no, we don't have that, but we'll just serve you water anyway. So there's a point in the song where the guy--so he's making up this, these things that don't exist on any menu. So he says all these things and I want shifafa on the side, I don't want French fried potatoes. So Wyman used to always tell me goes, listen to this song [he] goes, \"This just shows that goofing off is a high art.\" Shafifa is this made up word, right? He loved it. So we were playing this Nat King Cole song [The Frim Fram Sauce] during his last few days. This Nat King Cole thing. And at one point I didn't piece this together until later. He sat up and said, \"I don't want French fried potatoes,\" and then like, went back asleep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4637.69,4737.151"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my god. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4739.81,4739.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e it was crazy because I realized later, you know, at that point he had one foot in the grave, right? And that this song that he always said to me like this just shows that, like what creativity is all about, that Nat King Cole could, like, sing this word that doesn't exist. And everybody knows that it's just cool because it's just Nat King Cole saying it, right. And that to me, so to me, that was his message halfway to the grave. Was that just like, goofing off as a high art. And that was sort of it, you know? And it was funny because he said that and I didn't put it together until later that that was those were the lyrics that he was trying to to say to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4739.99,4782.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, do you do you know the title of the song?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4782.54,4785.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I can look it up real quick while we're sitting here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4786.77,4789.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4790.46,4790.814"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Just one quick note.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4791.99,4792.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4792.56,4792.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Also only tangentially related, so there's these first cousins that live in Portland too, that I just had dinner with recently. I was up for a wedding and my wife's side of the family, but one of their sons is kind of a gear head and a music guy. And one thing our dad did-- his primary thing was he played the piano at least a couple of hours every day when he was retired. Although anytime you go visit him, sometimes he'd call and he'd be on the phone on speaker and he'd be playing music while he talked to you. But, Jared, this cousin, recorded him, and there's a CD and it's wonderful. And I just put it to do item to send you a copy. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4792.95,4836.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4836.81,4837.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it's it's objectively quite good to listen to if you're a jazz fan or piano fan at all. So I'll send you a copy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4837.62,4846.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh please do. I would love to hear that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4846.5,4848.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Cool. It just reminded me I'd kind of forgotten about it, but it's it's really neat. And there's also a video of him. Have you ever seen that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4848.6,4856.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you sent us the video of him playing. 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So what was the--do you remember the title of the book, the proposed book that he always claimed he was going to write?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4874.52,4880.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's in the [Susan Orlean's] Library Book, [it was called] \"Downwind of Belly Dancer,\" which he thought was hilarious and I never understood it. So he song's called Frim-Fram Sauce by Nat King Cole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4880.85,4892.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Frim Fram Sauce, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4892.89,4893.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm gonna write that down, too. Give me a second. I've been adding to my road trip music library recently on iTunes. I'm sorry. One more time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4893.67,4906.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Frim-Fram Sauce. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4906.48,4907.756"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So, yeah. So, did he talk about his--? 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I guess he despite--he had these dichotomies in his culture, he could be this incredibly charming open guy, very articulate. But he also, if he didn't like you or he as he got older and he had this kind of paranoid. So at first he seemed like he was delighted to talk to her, and I'm sure that part of him came out. But then at some point he decided he was threatened by her because he always claimed and before and after he ever met her. He did always claim that he was keeping notes, and he was going to write a book about his time here, and he even had this title, and he was obsessed about it, and to the point--I was the executor of his will--and he said, if I die of a heart attack, please, I know you're a busy man and you have your own family and your own writing projects, but if you would collect all my notes and maybe you could try to put it together or even finish the book for me. 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I know I don't want to be too redundant because I've told you some of this before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=4940.32,5041.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e But our listeners haven't heard any of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5041.21,5043.166"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e They couldn't even type. 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I mean, I know people my age that can barely use computers. He was 85 years old. So he tried desperately in his last years to because he said, well, if I can just learn how to use this computer. 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No, I just remember him telling me that it was that it had been really hard on his health and that the job, the stress of those extra few years almost killed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5155.79,5164.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e But you kind of have some insights from your side and your wife and and that agent, you know--didn't you hear...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5171.66,5178.751"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Susan Orlean started posting some things on Twitter saying-- I mean, I knew her work and I knew that her very often her, her books revolved around some eccentric personality, you know. And so I know that at one point she was posting on Twitter or something saying on social media saying, you know, I think I found the subject for my new book. And it occurred to me at the time, that it made sense to me that she that there could have been some character development based around Wyman in this book. I think, honestly, he was so ornery, which is a word she used to describe him in the book by the time she got to him. I think that if he had just answered her questions that she might have told more of his story, but that he was pretty oppositional at the time. By the way, I just looked up to just so that I have it right. So the part of the song he sang to me was, \"I don't want French fried potatoes, red ripe tomatoes.\" And he said that and then, like, went back to sleep. The rest of the verse is, I'm never satisfied. 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However, is there anything we haven't discussed about your dad that you would like to talk about and put on the record?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5273.58,5282.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e The only one that I can think of is that he supposedly he was out at one of the Dallas branch libraries the morning JFK was assassinated and that and that. The Dallas Central Library was on Dealey Plaza, and that he was on his way back to the main office and drove through Dealey Plaza shortly after Kennedy was assassinated, and that he wrote an article about it in one of those columns he had for maybe the American Library Association Journal. I'm not sure. And I don't have a copy of it, and I've searched and been unable to find it. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5282.91,5321.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5321.67,5322.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e You really you actually have tried to find it? Yeah. 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The only Catholic president ever. So if you can imagine the pomp and circumstance in our school, I mean, it was all the chatter. And then it came on the announcement that he'd been shot. And the irony was the nuns who were, you know, kind of this I mean, they weren't really--Nuns were nuns, you know, they wore full habits then. They were all you saw was their face. And we were they were they intimidated the hell out of us. And they but essentially a lot of them were just young women and they and or old women, but they all completely lost their composure and were just running around screaming and crying. And we're just little kids. It was a bizarre thing. 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And in a Catholic school where where I mean, our mother literally there are photos where she her wardrobe at one point was Jackie O-ed out. She had the those round hats. And our mom was this pretty brunette gal. I mean, it's just amazing when I see some of these old photos of her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5391.7,5411.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you were to kind of sum up your dad in a nutshell, and his career, what do you want people to know? 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I loved that the thing that you read early on, the most of those sins in retrospect. I mean, I was around, I'm aware of them. But to hear it all, you know when you hear it all. How much stuff besides just the rote, everyday thing of driving to a job which all of us as adults have done, but to drive down, knowing that you're managing thousands of people and these books are going out to--I didn't realize there were 61 branches. Do you know how many there were when he retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5452.09,5487.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e We had-- Oh gosh. There were more when he retired because quite a few opened up, quite a few opened up. So I think it was upwards of 70. We have 72 branches now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5489.65,5506.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. They had largely--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5507.65,5508.549"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So, so we had expansion, amazingly he did see a few branches open even though it was the Prop 13 period. So yeah. 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But, you know, he came down here for 20 years and endured all that stuff. You're talking about as well. I've already said it, but to me, a miracle that how he ever lived another 20 years after that. I felt like he mostly he just gave everything he had. And it took a lot out of him. These photos are quite a statement to that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5523.13,5580.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think just to give us a little bit more context. 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But you know, he's been there for 12 years. That previous decade we had four other City Librarians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5593.01,5601.396"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5601.56,5601.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah. And you know, like our current City Librarian, John Szabo, he had the pandemic. Martin Gomez, who was there, he had the financial downturn. And those are, like, major things to overcome. But I feel like Wyman had a lot of major-- You know, he didn't have one major thing to contend with. He had a lot of major things to contend with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5601.89,5622.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I know you're trying to wrap up and we're at the end. But it's interesting to me because he-- some of the things he would talk about was about why, you know, why he didn't want to go back or he was ready to say, like dealing with unions, dealing with the other politicians he used to actually talk a lot about being last in line for getting funding, because obviously the police department, there were other departments he had to deal with that were just elbowed him out of the way. So I think to dovetail into what Manson's saying, I do remember specifically saying, I want, you know, I want to sit in my chair as high in that room with all these city managers and let them know that that books and getting books out to people and educating our citizens is really important. Yeah, we need to protect them too and have nice roads for them. And I think he really had. And he was not certainly not a religious person at all. 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And I'm biased, but I guess where I'm less biased and more objective is if you can hold a job down like this for 20 years and most people--and your son can come back five years later and walk around and people go, where is your dad? What's he doing now? Is he here? And that that day people kept saying, why isn't he here? And and so I ironically, I left. I was really glad I came down and represented our family, but I actually went home kind of sad, just feeling like, well, he should have been here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5688.38,5729.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Well, and just, you know, hearing about him and hearing kind of what a creative spirit he had, I mean, dealing with city bureaucracy must have just drove him crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5729.1,5740.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGreg Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e Our dad, used colorful language quite often. So we haven't really shared in many quotes, you'll notice. 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I think they can both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5762.25,5765.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e He also loved Gil Lindsay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5765.97,5767.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Gilbert Lindsay our council person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5767.92,5770.001"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, he loved. But I think he loved the the sort of personalities like Gil Lindsay would refer to the Ninth District as the Great Ninth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5770.89,5782.667"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5783.04,5783.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e And Wyman just loved that. 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I mean, look at these photos. Look at this. You know, there it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5789.85,5795.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5795.94,5798.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eManson Jones:\u003c/strong\u003e I also remember him, like the--We'd see somebody on the news. I won't say who. Say you'd would see a local politician on the news and he would go, \"See that guy\" And I'd go, \"Yeah.\" And he goes, \"That guy--\". And he would say some very unflattering things about that person that I won't say out loud. So he sort of, you know, he definitely had an attitude about the sort of how frustrating it was to deal with city government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=5798.1,5821.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/transcript/72779/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChristina Rice:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh I'm sure. I'm sure. Well, I know for for those of us who work here now who are really invested in this system and in the history of the system, I mean, Wyman Jones is just certainly one of the titans in our history. So I've really enjoyed speaking with you and getting to learn more about him because I never got the chance to meet him. But I hope this will give, you know, a lot of our other residents just the opportunity to know and to understand that this guy was here who saw this system through a hell of a lot. And just give him credit where credit's due, because I don't know that he's gotten enough credit. 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They share stories of his final years, including his move to Portland, his marriage to a younger woman, and his continued engagement with his interests until his passing.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3453.0,3462.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/index/86185/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Relationship with Staff and City Officials","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3462.0,5874.52103"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101/index/86185/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The speakers reflect on Wyman Jones' relationships with library staff and city officials, including his rapport with Mayor Tom Bradley and his fondness for certain staff members. They share anecdotes that illustrate his appreciation for the staff and his interactions with city government and local personalities.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/138699/file/257101#t=3462.0,5874.52103"}]}]}]}