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Today I have the honor and the pleasure of speaking again with Fontayne Holmes, who was the YA librarian at Hollywood, and eventually this worked from there, being the City Librarian from 2004 to 2008. Fontayne, thank you again very much for your participation in the project. Today's date is August 23rd, 2005, and we are recording at Central Library's Octavia Lab. Good morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=24.76,55.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Hello.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=55.76,56.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So we've as usual, we've had some interesting-- or as last time we had some very interesting pre-interview conversation. And one of the things I'd like out of that, that I'd like to start with is discussing the union MOU regarding pay equity and comparative worth. Now, one thing that, just to give the listeners an understanding is, like, you were always deeply involved in union. And at some point I'd also like to talk about that and how it referred to you as how it helped you as a City Librarian. But now we're going back to the, I think, the eighties or maybe even earlier. But you please, discuss some of the stuff we were just talking about with pay equity in the union MOU.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=56.36,96.474"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, the the public unions developed rather late in our country and the Meyers-Milias-Brown Act made it all happen. And the librarians unionized in 1968. And so I was a librarian then and was a feminist. And so I was interested in library issues and workers issues. And so I was, active in the union. And in the 1980s --I think it must have started maybe in '82, '83 -- the feminist movement was very aware of the inequities in women's salaries and men's salaries in this country. And I think at that time we all talked about, women made $0.59 an hour for every dollar that a man made. And the library profession has a predominance of female librarians. I'm not even sure what the percentages were or are, but, you know, I'm guessing it was like, you know, seventy-five / twenty-five, maybe seventy. Anyways, definitely predominance of women. And the City hires on a civil service system where the jobs are evaluated and the candidates are evaluated, and there's testing. And so in order to... become a librarian in the City of Los Angeles, you had to have a Master's of Library Science degree. In order to become an engineer in the City of Los Angeles, you had to have a Bachelor of Engineering degree. And so, as librarians, we were very well aware in the city that the college graduate requirements, occupations in the city that required that, that the male-dominated professions were earning a lot more money than the female professions. And so we did, you know, start evaluating it, studying it, getting statistics, looking at jobs, similarities and eventually—and pay and pay— and it wasn't just us. It was across the country that this was happening, so many places. And so in our regular contract negotiations with the City of Los Angeles, I mean, the unions negotiate contracts either annually, biannually, triannually, I mean, whatever the the process is in the local environment. And so we were preparing for the next negotiations over salaries, working conditions, working hours, safety, all the issues that employees are are interested in. And so, we were really ready to talk about, pay equity. I think in some places they called it comparable worth. It gets kind of philosophical, I guess. But it was a reality in our lives and in our profession. And so we were in negotiations with the City Administrative Office—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=96.9,304.119"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e What year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=305.36,305.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I didn't talk about the year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=306.04,307.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well you -- yeah. Sixty-eight is when when we organized, but what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=307.6,311.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Let me...we finished our negotiations very successfully in 1985. So I think it started in, in '84. I mean, it's a long process because there's a lot to go through. So it was a really interesting experience. I probably learned more about city government in negotiations than in working for the city for twenty years. I mean, because it was, you know, just to see how other offices in the city worked and the concerns that they had. So, yeah, so we were, we were, you know, very conscious of what it would take to make these changes. And so we were asking for pay similar to other professions in the, in the City of Los Angeles. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=311.2,365.37"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So I'm sorry to interrupt, but so, of course, now I'm being, as a librarian, I can see an MOU, what I get paid. So how did it work prior to 1984 when you're making, how did they --were they paying just to clarify, were they paying male librarians more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=365.53,380.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no it wasn't, it wasn't a discrimination against sex within a classification. It was a discrimination against classifications that were dominated by women and classifications that were dominated by men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=380.93,399.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, so it was city—yeah, that's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=399.33,400.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. And it was very, I mean, it was very blatant and I don't have any of the figures anymore. I used to have them in my head, but, I mean, it was really huge differences, you know? so and when you talk dollars and if you start talking 1980 salaries, I mean, you know, we're in a different world. I mean, everything is so much more expensive now and the salaries are so much higher. But basically there were really huge differences—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=401.73,429.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you for clarifying. —in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=430.51,431.116"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e the pay. Yeah. So it wasn't that because you were a woman, it was just because you were a teacher, or a nurse, or a librarian. That's where the difference was. You know, that where there was, were there were prevalence of professions where women dominated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=431.79,449.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So that just led to a situation where Librarians Guild was really active in it because— Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=449.75,454.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e very, yes. —and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=454.17,454.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e always we've kind of, we've always been more powerful than our numbers, as Villaraigosa found out, more powerful than our numbers would reflect within the unions of the city. So this is a great example of that. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=454.99,466.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e true. Yeah, I think it was, it was such an excellent union. You know, so many unions are dominated by one president of the union for thirty-five years. Well, we had, I mean, we had multiple presidents and presidents. And, you know, I think we really benefited from having a change in leadership and a change in, in expertise and a change in ideas. So we were a very active union, definitely. And, and we had prepared a lot. And so, you know, we had to first, prove our point to the negotiating team from the City Administrative Office. And they essentially are the money people in the City of Los Angeles. That's their job. And, so, we did come to an agreement. And now that I look back and, I mean, it even seems more phenomenal. I think, I think we got a twelve percent rate raise and then a nine percent—it turned out to be almost twenty percent higher than what we were earning for the same job. So and then it had to be approved by the mayor and city council. Mayor Bradley was in favor of it all along. And most of the council people were. I think there was one \"No\" voteout of fifteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=466.17,556.089"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=556.74,556.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Who did, who it was? I don't remember because, you know, I was so focused on everybody who said yes. ...Including Nate Holden and Zev Yaroslavsky and, you know—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=557.575,572.694"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman :\u003c/strong\u003e Who were not always supportive of the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=572.82,574.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Right, yeah. Who always had opinions about the library. Definitely. So, yeah, so it was, it was really such an interesting experience and so important for us who are actually living it and working for for the City of Los Angeles. And then I think it-- you know, we did articles for Library Journal, American Libraries. I mean, obviously we had workshops at ALA and CLA. So it grew. It really grew from there. And I think it had an effect. 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Thank you for bringing that up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=614.7,616.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=616.24,616.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I will jump now to ask you: when you were a City Librarian, how your experience in being a lot—first of all, being a librarian who came up through the ranks, but also with the union negotiating and so on—how it gave you information about how the city operated and how that might have made your job easier or maybe harder, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=616.68,638.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I think it all contributes to improving your work and your understanding of what goes on and how to make things happen that need to happen. So, you know, it all contributed. I mean I worked in several different divisions in the library system. And as I look back, I know there's some people who they're so wonderful in their job and they love it so much. And they are the roots. You know, they stay in one place. Yeah, and they love it. Exactly. One of my closest friends, she just, she's been-- I think she's working already fifty years for the library in three libraries, you know? (laughs) Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=638.08,684.016"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e wow. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=684.016,684.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so. And then there's those of us who have to try out this and try out that. So I was interested in so many different things. And I learned different skills, you know, working in different parts of the city and in different (departments like) Interlibrary Loan. Really it wasn't—it was in, I think it was in the branch division, but it was really a technical service, you know? I mean, I was no longer working directly with, with the public, and it was about getting books from other libraries, our books to other libraries and other libraries' books to our patrons. 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I mean, you know-- everywhere. So each place that you work adds to that. I mean, and certainly I was--I knew nothing about city government, really. I mean, I voted every year, you know, so it was just so interesting seeing how the city worked. And then later with the bond program later on, it was seeing how every other city department really worked because we had really important jobs that we worked on together, and we needed their help. And some of them were outstanding and some of them were not outstanding. 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But I mean, it was just —well, I worked in the branches and I worked with the young adults. So I reviewed young, and I was on, I was in an organization here in Southern California, Young Adult Reviewers of Southern California. We worked for many different library systems here in Southern California, and we reviewed books and did workshops at the conferences. And it was all about the teenagers and what they liked to read and what we did with it. So yeah. So I forgot that I, you know, I was a real librarian. (laughs) So it was great. So I did book reviews. I did a bibliography that got published. Yeah. Just from real library work. 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So that's, yeah, so let's talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=949.53,951.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e So the Guild really-- the Guild contributed, you know, a whole other layer in terms of doing business and certainly, you know, workers rights and responsibilities, but when you have workers rights and responsibilities, you also are analyzing every level, including management. 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And that wasn't the truth. 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Although that library was so busy, I only shelved books for the first month because it was the busiest circulating library in the city. And so people would—teeny little place, 3500 square feet—and people would come in, they'd bring back books and would go on a book truck, and then people would go to the shelves, but they'd go to the book trucks first to see what they wanted to read. So those books never got back to the general shelves. So I worked the circulation desk for all the all the years that I was there. But, I was very aware when you are--nothing else is open in the community, a lot of this was before fast food places. And every branch library has a staff, a staff room which includes a staff kitchen because they worked nights, you know, or even lunches, but certainly nights. 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And, there's so many histories of so many -- thank goodness we never had a tragedy. But there were shootings, you know, there were were bomb scares. There were so many things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1126.14,1178.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one of the things I wanted to talk about is that the safety in downtown in particular, because we're focusing on Central. But I understand it's system wide. And to be fair, in the Central Library, we have security on site all the time. Whereas that is not the case in branches. But in terms of just the downtown issues, like I want to, lately I've been revisiting, along with another librarian here, Danielle Ball, the murder of Yeiko Nakashima, who of course was not killed in a library property but was out here. *** She was from a branch. I want to say in she was at, I think, Memorial Branch, and she was here for a conference and she was parking in what's now, I guess, Bunker Hill. But she wasn't parking--She had to find parking because she wasn't given city parking. And she was was murdered. so what changes were implemented in the wake of that tragedy? 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I don't even know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1319.59,1322.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, not, that's—I don't really have much-- I only know what the union, the union side, the Communicator was, you know, talking about possible changes, but I don't know what was actually implemented. But at any rate. So there was, that was not so, that was one of the darker points of it. It's basically, I think there were some changes. Well, I can't speak to it perfectly, so I won't mention it now. 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That's interesting. But there was a lot going on then, that's for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1351.64,1357.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I think all through history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1357.8,1359.296"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. That's right. So, speaking of that time, did you want to talk any more about the union involvement or anything? Is there anything we're missing in that? Even if it comes up later, it's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1359.32,1369.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, if it comes up because, you know, the union was involved in so many things. 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In front of the library here we were marching. And so I think he was calling in everybody that was in the march or anyways. And I was working, you know, here at Central in, in the Literature Department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1397.38,1410.679"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Under Helene, who was quite a Saul Alinsky activist. Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1411.66,1415.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e right. Well, yes, I worked in the right places to meet the right people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1415.02,1419.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e You really did. She was-- she's my hero.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1419.46,1421.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. She was a great librarian, a great person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1421.54,1424.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway, he was calling in all the librarians. 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I mean, it's not nothing like that now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1451.78,1461.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1461.32,1462.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. No, I mean, you read about stuff. 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But, you know, the thing is, like I always say, people are surprised. Like, \"this is a library.\" They're surprised stuff goes on. I said, \"this is the bus station with books.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1518.81,1528.791"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That's right. 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So getting back to the original thing that we were talking about --with or not the original thing -- where we left off last time we were talking about--- to situate it, we were talking about where you were in the building, after the fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1567.21,1582.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1582.55,1582.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. 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You guys were here for a while, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1591.71,1594.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we -- I moved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1594.67,1595.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you went to Arco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1595.79,1596.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e No. The only administration went. I-- because I remember this -- because I made the decision and it was approved. I was I was looking for another place to do the work because we were we were occupied in Central Library, because a big part of our job was, was providing books from the Central Library to the branches and to libraries all over this country. I mean, we were, the year before the fire, we were the net lender in interlibrary loan in the state of California. We lent to public libraries. We lent to university libraries. So I mean, it was, you know, really big. And we had, I think a really good collection, actually, kudos to the Central department librarians and kudos to the branches which bought, you know, all the popular stuff, whether or not it was highly valued, you know. So, I mean, it was really we we were the net lender. And the day after the fire, two days after, we were the net borrower. Because we didn't have our--our own collection and the branches, you know, were lending to each other, of course... 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I mean, there was a time, that Los Angeles Public Library had like, like more than a hundred locations in this city because they had branches. Then they had something called substations. I mean, it was just incredible. I mean, they had so many local points because we are, you know, geographically in terms of a very big city. I've noticed that I used to talk about it all the time at, you know, at conferences and doing programs that, you know, we were 470 square miles and now they're saying it's 500 and 504 square miles. I didn't know we grew, but we obviously maybe they have better measurements now. But anyways. But this is really, really big. I mean, we are bigger. Los Angeles County is bigger than lots of states. I know the city is big, too, 470 square miles. So we we really had a very good system in this library already set up in the regional branch libraries. 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How did it work? Did they use the sub regionals? Would they use like JSerra as well because San Pedro is so far?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=1950.56,1962.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well it is, but you know, but it worked and you know, and the drivers were the drivers, you know, I mean, my God, what a crew. You know, that's not oh my gosh. You know so and we and so it was great having drivers with us right there in aisle two. Yeah. and yeah. So it really worked. And it was, it was, I would say a relatively easy transition. And I think the we missed Central Library desperately. 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Oh my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2052.565,2057.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So for for today's point of point, do you remember a couple that might be like, well, you really were strong because I know that, well told me when you, last time you were spending so much time in the communities and listening. Yes. what were some of the communities you really enjoyed working with? What were some some of the challenges you dealt with? In general. 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But we were looking for for land, and we had tried all different things. And then, you know, all of a sudden somebody called and they said, you know, the little mini mall. I mean, I never thought of going to buy a mini mall. The little mini mall is available, and we ended up buying the whole mini mall and building the library. But Chatsworth, they were during the during the design of the new library. They were very upset architecturally about the roof. And anyways, they and so but they didn't they didn't start a protest. They came to the next Board of Library Commissioners meeting to present to the Board of Library Commissioners, and we had the architect come and the meeting --and we couldn't change it. It's really a shame because, you know, Chatsworth is in the west San Fernando Valley. And our next Board of Library Commissioners meeting was at the San Pedro Branch Library, which is all the way at the port.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2074.55,2174.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's eighty miles -- No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2176.35,2177.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e but no, it's probably I'm guessing it's, 40 miles. 40. 50 miles. You know, I because I should know it, I drove it all the time. But so this community, they were so kind and so nice, and they came, you know, 20 of them. They drove all the way out, you know, to San Pedro. I just felt so badly we couldn't make the meeting closer to them or at their own branch. Yeah, so but then we had problems too. There were definitely problems. And the-- we only had one architectural architectural issue. That was the community didn't want it. 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And, so,one of them-- well, the two big the two big projects that we had problems with, one was Los Feliz, and the other was Washington Irving Branch Library, and, Los Feliz was a library that had been in -- had never had its own library. It wasn't it wasn't built. There was no library built for Los Feliz. It's kind of surprising. I don't know why. In the 1957 bond issue, no library. So they were in a, rental, and literally it was a one room on the right in the prime part of Los Feliz, a one-room library. 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But anyways, so we were looking for a new site to build the library. And, the community divided. Part of the community said it has to be right here on Los Feliz. The city council member at that time wanted the library someplace else. Not that the city council people had any any real say in it at all. But he expressed his opinion. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2318.54,2319.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2320.06,2320.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Boulevard. 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Against Reardon, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2325.87,2329.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And he was a really nice guy. And I'm surprised that, you know, the community kind of attacked, anyways, but, it was very difficult. So, we had community meetings for every single library that we were building, and we usually had, anywhere from 3 to 5 community meetings. There was a community meeting where we discussed the, what we were looking for in terms of property. And the communities were fantastic because they knew their communities better than the library staff, certainly better than me. 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Yeah. Neighborhood councils came up during the whole program. That's when they developed them. So not only did we have community meetings and we had to go to neighborhood council meetings . 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So at at most community meetings, we'd have, you know, 20 to 60 people who would come to the community meeting. At night! You know, I think that's that's not bad. That was good. And they had ideas and they contributed. and unless there was a controversy, then there could be 150 to 300 people at the meeting. Yeah. And we happened only twice, and this one was the lowest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2383.93,2414.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And then it goes on to like midnight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2414.85,2416.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Of course. Well, in one of the branches, whoever we had the board of Library Commissioners, there were a couple of attorneys and, and they sent us to a to arbitration dispute resolution, with one community, the Washington Irving community. But this community, I remember we had a big meeting because we had to have a--we couldn't do it in a library. We usually did it in the library that we were replacing, but this was one room! So we were at the elementary, you know, one of the elementary schools. Yeah. And the whole auditorium was filled. And, and one side did not like the way the meeting was going because there was more talk about, what, you know, the pluses of the other side. I mean, some of them wanted it in the park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2416.37,2464.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2465.31,2465.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So this was location. But the people who wanted it right there on the corner, you know. And those feelings in the business district, I mean, I personally thought they were right, but I didn't like their tactics. 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Anyway, so it was it was very difficult, you know, dealing with them for a long, long time. And then we, you know, we took our recommendation to the Board of Library Commissioners, which was to have it in the business district where, you know -- but but so that was one and you know, and and the other one was a historic branch library that we were replacing the Washington -- you know, there was a time where all of the branches were named for authors. We had a Mark Twain branch. We had... some of them had been named multiple times, different authors. So this was the Washington Irving Branch Library. And it was, it was in the neighborhood of Washington Boulevard, Pico, pretty much Pico, Washington Boulevard. And, there was a library that was built in the 1930s, a beautiful library, by -- the architects were Allison and Allison. 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Yes, they were in, oh, they were all in residential areas. That was the big change when we did the master plan for branch libraries. They were all embedded in neighborhoods. They were doing it like the elementary schools that should be closed. But what we found out in running libraries was the library needs to be in the shopping district! It needs to be on the main thoroughfare, needs to be near the office buildings and the, you know, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2559.82,2583.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And the parking must, which is always a concern. 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So, but because it was such a beautiful library and people loved it, there was a whole half of the community that wanted it to, you know, to stay, to be restored, to have something done to it. and I had had an experience in the bond issue where we did have to go to eminent domain once, and I promised myself we would never do that again. Not that people didn't get fair price for their, they got a fair price. Believe me, they got fair price for their property. But, in this case, we would have had to people would have lost their apartments and their homes. And we did it just for one library and that that was it. 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One of the Carnegie libraries which was built, you know, you know, at the end in the 1903, 1903, 1905, 1906. So anyway, part of the community was very adamant against moving and and building a new library someplace else. And so they sent us the board of Library Commissioners had us go to arbitration. Three nights. We had three night meetings a week, a week, a week, until midnight. And the arbitration failed. 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And then and the the council district, it was Nate Holden's council district and Nate Holden, who was as difficult as Nate Holden was to work with, his staff was excellent, so he had some good judgement in there because he had such excellent staff and they they were very good. And so, you know, there was a verbal agreement that he would find an adaptive reuse. His, his office would find an adaptive reuse for this, you know, charming, wonderful community building. But in the time it took for us to make the recommendation to have the arbitration, the people who wanted the historic library to stay as a library, they put signs over the Santa Monica freeway, the Ten, the Ten Freeway, on Arlington all the way.. 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Yes, that she did. Oh, definitely. Definitely. But, but, you know, our the branch libraries, our community, they are community meeting halls, too. I mean, people, that's where people go. I mean, it's they really are community buildings. 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So anyway, so there was one friends group and we worked -- oh, we worked with all the friends groups, and most of them were very supportive. But this one friends group, wanted a dishwasher in their little kitchenette because they all had little, you know, you know, we used to have the refrigerator, you know, so that people could have celebrations and events in the, in the community room, and--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=2994.25,3021.037"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e They're really like, I remember in the branch I was and it was like a galley. They're not very big, but they, they do (unintelligible). 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Oh, it was probably the one thing if I could wave a magic wand or be ultra powerful, that I would change because I loved the historic libraries, but I don't think we made the right decision. But, you know, it was part of the master plan, and the master plan was actually done... We did make some changes. It was done two years before I was put in charge of the the you know, I think they did a good job. 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Because no, I know the master plan was done in 86 and 85. Okay. Eighty seven, I was at South Pasadena. There. I wasn't on a committee or even -- And, yeah, they. And the master plan was done. And it was it was, you know, it was a realistic master plan of what we could do. And it did form a huge basis for -- because we had all the cost estimates based on the sizes and and the locations. And so it was a good plan and, you know, and, and the librarians know the operations of the library and what needs to work. But of course, this was I mean, Los Angeles Public Library was late in coming into technology. Truly. Because we needed Central Library. I mean, you know, it had to have Central Library. And of course, you know, we didn't reopen until 1993. So the bond issue was in 1989, four years before. 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I don't know, that's really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=3924.7,3933.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Just in terms of what was going on in the history, how would you, besides technology being implemented here, that for real is going on? Because Cecilia was talking about, because part of that is the computer center. And also, we had popular library before and that was kind of modernized. But it's funny, like all the action is kind of in general about the story of telling the story of the Library after we open, and there were some adjustments to opening. 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That's that's but that's good I mean that's some of the things that we wanted I just wanted actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=4078.87,4084.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e You know you can get a lot done out of the political eye too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=4084.51,4087.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Well that's kind of the best way to do it in some ways. I mean, you know. You know, is to make sure, you know, things are, that everyone's talking to each other is not something that's newsworthy. Right. But if you're the kind of communication that you were talking about when you were the, you know, during the branch, talking to the different parts of the city, that's not an -- that's not a particularly sexy thing to talk about, but it's actually the way things really get done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=4087.47,4111.229"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e It does. And, you know, and if you know, if you really respect people coming to the meetings and you honestly tell them, you know, this is this is what this is what we're looking for, can you help us? You know, don't tell us what our jobs are. We know that. 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But, you know, I think it was, we mapped it out really, and we were, you know, honest about wanting their, their input on things that, that we needed and things that could then get done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=4130.08,4141.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And everybody can tell-- sincerity speaks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580#t=4141.96,4144.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/164538/file/299580/transcript/88101/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I really think so. 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