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Hi. So I'm Eva Mitnick. I am currently the Director of the Engagement and Learning Division here at LAPL and I'm interviewing Richard Kraus, who retired a couple of years ago. When was that exactly, Richard? Uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=0.55,15.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e June 2021. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=15.85,17.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=17.98,19.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e That's coming close to three years. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=19.24,20.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e coming close to three years. That's gone by fast. So, I want to take you way, way back. Way back, possibly to your childhood. Tell me how you came to this career of librarianship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=20.58,33.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think I was a very shy kid. I was hard of hearing. I didn't see very well. And so I was very withdrawn. And so libraries and reading books were the kind of thing that brought me out. And they said that in school they could tell as I got older that I was starting to come out a little bit as I got more involved with reading. And so back then in elementary school, I lived in Westport, Connecticut, and that was the library I first started with, and I remember that was a library that had two stories; the bottom level for the adults, and the top level was for children. And so we would go there fairly regularly. My parents were very supportive of that kind of thing. So I did a lot of reading. When I went to junior high, when we moved out here to California, we moved to Northridge in 1968, that's when we first came out here. So I started junior high at that point, what they now call middle school. I remember hanging out at the library at school. So I would go to the library in junior high and then later to the library in the high school. Then in terms of branches, I got to know very well the Northridge branch, the Granada Hills branch, the West Valley branch, I think once in a while, maybe the Chatsworth branch. So I did get to see them in their old incarnations. Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=33.49,105.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e The old buildings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=105.1,106.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e This is long before Mid-Valley ever existed. So, it's kind of cool for me to hang out. What was intriguing about my choice of librarianship was a couple of things. 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Something","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=123.16,126.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e like that. Yeah. So that was kind of funny that I'd end up being one of them, but I don't know if any of the librarians inspired me. But I think I liked the ambience and the feel of being in libraries. And at some point when I was starting college, my mother was talking to me. She said, \"Well, you're always hanging out in libraries; why don't you look at that as something you're going to do for a living?\" So, oh, okay, I can do that. And what's funny is that I latched onto it even before I knew what my major was going to be at UCLA when I went to college. So I knew I would go into library school even before I knew my undergraduate major was. That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=126.97,161.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e is pretty unusual. And of course, what's great is we find out it doesn't actually matter what your undergraduate degree is when you're going to library school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=161.08,169.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I got an undergraduate degree, a bachelor's in communication studies at UCLA, which is an interdisciplinary major, where we dabble in this subject and that subject, sort of a major for people who can't make up their mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=169.93,182.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e I wish I'd known about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=182.68,185.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a lot of fun with that degree. And then I went right into library school immediately without taking any break. And so I went to UCLA there also. And at the time I was at UCLA one of the ways I sorta confirmed that I was doing the right thing, is that I started working at the research library as a student worker in the circulation department. And so I did that for about four years. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=185.29,208.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e was that Powell Library or was it...? 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I also felt it gave me some perks that I sort of knew how to play the game inside the library if I needed something for my homework assignment. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=216.04,232.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And back then I was living on campus, working on campus and going to school on campus. So it's sort of like an all encompassing experience for me. When I was in library school, I did an internship, and back then they didn't focus so much on getting a variety. So they said that you could stay at the same place if you wanted to. So I spent three quarters at the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences library, which is kind of cool. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=232.91,256.519"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought that was a really nifty place to go. And one of the best perks of working there was that I got to go to the Academy Awards once. And what was funny is that my friend and I were driving in our car, going up the street toward the parking for the show, and people were all peering in the window trying to see if anybody famous inside and the look of disappointment on their faces when they saw it was just us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=256.519,278.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, but the important question was, who were you wearing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=278.84,283.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I rented a suit from somebody in Westwood, and I wasn't one of those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=283.64,293.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e So did you actually work at a public library at all before you came to L.A. Public Library, I guess? 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Also going on at that time was Prop 13, had tightened up a lot of budgets. 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The good thing was I was living at home with my folks, so that meant I had a good safety net. I wasn't in any trouble, but it was very frustrating. And I got a job at the Cal State Northridge as a library assistant and I was doing cataloging work. But I was considered library assistant, not a librarian. And I did that for about two and a half years. And the place I worked at was something called the Instructional Materials Laboratory, which is a special collection aimed at the people who are in the teaching credential program. It provided all the things they might use in a classroom, like books and games and kits and all kinds of that. 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And I worked for a librarian named Karen Duran, who had a fairly significant reputation at the time and unfortunately, she passed away about 14 years ago. But, um, she, uh, she was the librarian who sort of nurtured me and kept me going there. Um, I left there about two and a half years later in the middle of 83, because I realized I'm not going to get to be a librarian here. 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I finally accepted a half-time cataloging job at LAPL in December of 83.  it's not what I wanted, but I took it because I just had to get my foot in the door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=430.08,449.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what we always say to people, just take a job, any job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=449.67,453.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. I had the cataloging background, the cataloging experience. I always found cataloging fascinating in library school because I always thought of it as like being a lawyer. You're sort of applying principles to explain how to handle a certain situation. And I found the intellectual part of it fascinating. What I had trouble with was the production part. 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Well, one thing you had mentioned to me before this interview that I thought fascinating was that, you know, there's this piece of sort of fabulous art in two of the elevators here in the in the new part of the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=1347.48,1362.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Catalog cards. 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April of 85 was when I left the Catalog department and I transferred to get a full time position in Acquisitions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=1439.05,1447.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you were in Acquisitions. I thought I knew that, but I didn't quite know that. 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And she was a major world traveler. She was very intellectual, knew lots of stuff. Bit intimidating, but a very smart lady. Then my Senior was Marilyn Webster, who was one of the nicest people I've ever met, and I always thought one of her biggest talents was she's the best listener I have ever met. She had a way of just quietly tilting her head and just listening to whatever you had to say, and then feeding back in a way that showed that she actually heard you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=1466.86,1493.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Nice. 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I do remember when the weekend came, they put out a call to all the staff, and this was one of the few times I ever had this in my whole library career, is when they put City staff, workers are required to respond to emergencies. And they can call us to duty at any time. And so I then on a Friday and Saturday, I think overnight I worked about 20 hours straight and I was inside the library helping them to pull the books out. And so they were having us box up the books and they were wrapping them in giant things of plastic. And then they put it on a giant little pulling device, and we'd take it out, and some trucks would be there to pick it up. 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And also those desks were lower down so that a child could actually see over them, unlike most of our reference desks, which a child could really barely see over the top. 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I mean, it just felt like it was like a runaway train.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3082.63,3086.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. A couple of other things. West L.A. had a card catalog, so I remember finding cards there. What was interesting is that we had no knowledge of what other branches owned. There was no way to know. 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So tell me about your memories of kind of that shift, you know, moving from card catalog to an online catalog system. What happened? I remember every single one of the books at one point had to get a barcode on it. Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3150.22,3170.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e we had to put barcodes on them. And what they did called converting, which would enter the information from there into the record. 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No, that was a very messy time, I remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3195.91,3200.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The initial kick off of it was when Central Library opened after the fire in October 1993. They launched the online catalog at that point. They had it first. Within a year after that, the branches had to start getting on board. 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While you're thinking just going back again to West LA, um, you know, do you have any memories of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3251.37,3259.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you're asking me about the converting part?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3259.74,3261.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. The converting. 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I did 21 years, I worked for 5 or 6 Seniors. And then when Anne left, I was actually Acting Senior for three months, which taught me that I didn't want to promote at all, ever. I just wasn't cut out. You know, there's something called the Peter Principle which said that people rise to the level of their incompetence or something like that. So I petered out pretty quickly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3521.98,3548.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So I got the librarians to say, I can do this. I'll stay here. 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But no, it made me realize that I was sort of doing what I liked doing, and I was pretty good at it, and I sort of stayed with what I was comfortable with. And I never had any reason to promote. I didn't need it financially and I didn't need it for any other reason. So I think that I'm comfortable with this. 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They picked Virginia Loe. She's the one who took it over. And back then I think Training Office was attached to the computer part of the library and turned out they made the right choice. She was really good. And way better than I would have been. So that that no argument there. They opened it up again after she left. And then what I didn't do then is I didn't pay attention. They had changed what the job required. What they really wanted was someone who was good at making relationships with the databases that the library had, the vendors. 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Because the training office, I think it started off as a Librarian III position when I interviewed for it, then I think Virginia Loe got bumped up to Senior. Then they made the Librarian III be under the Senior and the Librarian III's job was to do the database connections, but I didn't pay enough attention to that. And so they didn't pick me for that either. That's when Jeanne McKay got that job. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3678.52,3707.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3707.86,3709.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So I ended up giving up on the training office that that didn't happen for me. And I think I may have interviewed for Business once or twice during the time I was at West LA. When I finally did interview around 2007, I was starting to get a little antsy about what was going on in the branch at West LA. Things had changed a lot by then. The level of questions we were getting had not been the same level, because the branch.... I never even talked about the remodeling. 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West L.A. was not on that list. 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They changed it rather drastically on the inside. But to me, they didn't make it better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3760.18,3768.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Same old dysfunctional building. But we did get air conditioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3768.28,3773.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e In fact, they gave us air conditioning before they closed it down. We were closed down for a year from middle of 98 to middle of 99. And during that time they closed it down. But before that, a year or so before that, they gave us the air conditioning. That was a good thing, that that was an improvement. I liked that a lot. That was fine. What I didn't like is that they changed it so that the layout of the building and the setup was that the library, the collection size was about instead of 88,000, was more like 40 or 50. 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They got rid of the impetus to the requirement for all that stuff, partly because things have changed a lot. For example, the library had introduced online databases by that point. And so that required a lot less in terms of reference books. You didn't need them. It also meant that the Regional branch was not so unique because everybody in the system had access to them. And I did think positively about that. With that database, it became the great equalizer in that they may not know how to use them, but they have access to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3806.25,3838.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, hey. Then librarians still needed a job. I mean, we were guaranteed a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3838.74,3846.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So they did have access to them. So it it became the great equalizer in terms of that. The regional branch didn't have that same burden. I felt that West L.A. lost some of what made it unique in the region because it was not that big. It would wanted a few branches in the region that didn't get a new building. It was one of the few regional branches that didn't get a new building. And I kind of felt, boy, that's not nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3846.03,3871.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e And and there never was parking and there still wasn't parking afterwards. I mean, there were like, five spots or something for the staff. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3871.0,3877.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they had very limited parking. No parking for the public, really. And then that parking was kind of a challenge. I mean, I remember we used to play musical cars where you had to figure out how far and wide in the neighborhood do I have to find an open spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3877.51,3890.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. I've got a lot of memories of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3890.14,3893.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was kind of a frustrating part of it. So a lot of things I didn't like about it. One perk I had with West L.A. was that I lived in the neighborhood, because after the first six years I was there, I finally moved to an apartment building that was one block away from work. And so for the remaining time that I was at West L.A. for about 15, 16 years, I walked to work. Nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3893.65,3916.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3916.14,3916.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e went home for lunch.  even went home on breaks. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3916.29,3921.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was kind of a sweet deal. So that became one of the things that made it very attractive to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3921.48,3927.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn't try too hard to get those other jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3927.66,3931.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well like that...actually, when I switched to Central, the bus stop that I would take, I would take the bus to go downtown because I didn't want to drive there, even though by then I did drive. But I took the bus. The bus stop was right in front of West L.A. It reminded me of the sign I used to see in the freeway downtown. They said, if you lived here, you'd be home already. So I would see in my mind, if you worked here, you'd be at work already. I missed that part. But anyway, I finally got a chance to apply for the LIII position position in the Business and Economics department, and I caught another lucky break again; the librarian who was best qualified was new to the system, so she didn't have enough years to be eligible to apply for Librarian III.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3931.86,3984.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was that? Millie","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3984.99,3986.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Chong-Dillon. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3986.43,3987.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e okay. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3987.3,3988.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e she had worked in a private corporate library for many years before that. And you have to have, I think two years or three years with LAPL before you could apply for an LIII. Even though she was by far way more qualified than I was. And then two other librarians who had been in the department for many, many years, both had some health issues that kind of ruled them out. So I kind of waltzed in there and I said, okay, I'll take it. And so it was a nice deal for me. I think I had enough to bring to the table that I wasn't a total washout. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=3988.05,4018.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4018.23,4019.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e But it really felt like it was sort of engineered in a way. I caught a very lucky break. And so that finally got me into the Business Department after I had been thinking about it for many years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4019.82,4031.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was it like getting back to Central after all those years in a branch, such a different culture, different everything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4031.26,4038.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it's incredibly different. I mean, I would at first I was just overwhelmed and said, what have I done? One little thing that I noticed is that if you go to the shelf for all the job-hunting books, if you go to a branch there are maybe 1 or 2 shelves. Here, it's several rows of books. The size of it was - whoa! That blew me away. And Business is not that big a department. It's a fairly small department compared to the other subject departments, but just based on certain subject areas, we have a lot of books on these things. So that was overwhelming. The fact that there was a lot more to know and that you get questioned with the expectation that you're supposed to answer it. 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It took me a while before I felt comfortable enough about what I was doing. I remember spending a lot of time making special efforts to sort of study stuff or make special organizing lists or little cheat sheets and things like that. I was just trying to figure out how do I get a handle on this thing. And now they did have their Inmagic filed. And they were very useful. And that was very important. The staff were very nice to me, so they were very supportive and helpful to me. So I didn't get any hard time about it and nobody seemed to resent that I was there. So that was helpful, too. But it took me a while, and I think there used to be a line, something about the fact that when you come to Central Library, you're not really good at that department until about 2 or 3 years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4082.11,4133.319"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I see that. 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Do you have any other suggestions?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4135.3,4168.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's absolutely true. That's a very good point. Yeah. You know, the branch that I was at the longest was the Venice branch. I was there for nine years. That was my longest. And I did get to know that collection by heart. You know, I could go straight to the shelf and find that exact book for that exact patron. Yeah. And watch kids grow up, you know, and knew their reading interests the whole time. So it's absolutely true. But I think especially so at the subject departments at Central where you see the same staff working there for decades in these departments and that knowledge that they have is so vast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4168.99,4206.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And from the repetition and the frequency. Now, one thing I did finally figure out, both in West L.A. and in the department, is that at some point, even though there seemed to be the infinite possibility that people could ask you anything, it did tend to be that 90% of the questions were in a certain range. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4206.97,4223.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4223.17,4225.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And you got really good at those. Sometimes they're a little too much in that one little range. But it meant that you could have a certain comfort zone that you could handle most of the questions that came up that day. And I sort of had a little rhythm going where if I showed up for a day at work, if the first few questions were easy ones I thought I was going to have a good day. If the first few ones were what I call the jaw droppers, \"What am I supposed to do with that?\" Then I knew I was going to have a rough day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4225.21,4252.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's pretty good. 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And it was just frustrating at West L.A., which was one of the reasons why I left was that it just seemed to me that what made it interesting for me was becoming less and less. And so I wanted to go to where the reference was. But then when I came to Central, it also seemed to be lessening. Same","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4285.69,4329.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e thing was happening. 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And so it was just, you know, always this balance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4414.15,4446.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there's cost and usage. And we always had trouble trying to justify the usage partly because we didn't have any record keeping system that showed us how many people were using it. And also because, yes, this is the only way I can answer the question, how many people I got? Maybe three this month. That enough? I don't know. 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How do we figure out the metrics for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4463.46,4468.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And it becomes like a vicious cycle where the less we do, the less we can do, and it just keeps going forward that way. And so that was one of the difficulties with realizing that there are limits to what we could do and what we could aspire to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4468.68,4482.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And then of course, fairly recently, in the last five, ten years, there's been more of an emphasis on outreach and on programming that never used to happen here at Central.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4482.3,4498.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And it also increased for Adult Librarians, too. Because that was one of the changes when I was at West L.A. for all those years, that the Adult Librarian III position kept changing because the MCLS liaison part of it went away, because that kind of reference work stopped happening. And then MCLS even discontinued their reference center, they don't do it anymore. And so that kind of faded away. There was a period of time when they'd say, what are we supposed to do with these people? I said, well, I'll keep taking the paychecks, because we got paid more, but we didn't have any particular assignment. And then I would get certain assignment that depended on the Regional Manager. So like Penny Carr would send me to different branches to, say, review their reference collection. And so I would do that. I felt kind of silly doing that because the reference that they did at branches was very different than what we did even at a regional branch. So a little bit hard to judge it, because what they needed was much different than what we needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4498.34,4557.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You just need the World Book; that answers 80% of the questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4557.09,4561.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they would tell you that don't question don't happen here. We don't get those questions. So we don't need to have that material to answer it. Because I would say, well how come you have nothing in this area. 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Then another thing I had going on was they had us assigned to Adult Services, the old Adult Services, which used to be more of a collection development department. And they would form a committee of the Librarian IIIs from the different branches. And one day curiosity did that. The initial group of librarian three, who was selected in 1989. I was the last one to leave. I outlasted all of them. They either retired or promoted or left or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4572.48,4610.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. So the OG.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4610.25,4611.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I did, I was the last of the dinosaurs. So that was kind of funny to me. But they then tried to come up with projects for us to do. So one project was let's come up with a training checklist for substitute librarians. Another project was we came up with a cheat sheet for Dewey Decimal numbers for popular subjects. So that was like a little handout that people would get. Another project, which I think was mostly maintained by one of them, was a list ofthe magazine carried by other branches because that was in the days when we had no clue to what - I don't even know what magazine another branch has. 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It's all very ephemeral. We can look up, there's an online thing where we can look up what they order. But there's nothing telling you what their holdings are because it's probably nothing. 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Then you had to find out if you can get it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4689.72,4699.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e We earned our pay in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=4699.68,4704.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah that was (?). And then later on I was on several different training groups. 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I think when Suzanne Johnson, who later became Suzanne Gray, took over the region, one of the things she wanted me to do was train some of the newer librarian. So I did that from time to time, and I think I focused on teaching them reference and databases and things like that. 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So my joke was we got the city to shed a tear for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5901.96,5906.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Excellent. That's a good one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5906.22,5910.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So anyway, so they created tier three. And then that's been, I forget what the cut off year was for that. Anybody hired after 2013 or something like that had to be in tier three. It'll be a while before people retire with tier three and then they'll start seeing what the difference... Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5910.39,5926.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e What difference that makes. It's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5926.29,5927.453"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e more significant than people think. But it's something that they'll have to deal with. And then your question is, are they going to find that they're having still more cost problems, or they're going to have to create another tier and ratchet the pension benefit down more? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5927.453,5939.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e It's worrisome. Not for me. I'll be retiring relatively soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5939.58,5945.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, part of the problem is the people who are currently retired have to make sure that the pensions stay solvent because you're depending on it. Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5945.07,5951.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e right. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5951.46,5951.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e don't have that paycheck anymore. No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5951.97,5953.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e of course. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5953.5,5954.13"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e you can't change your plans anymore because you're in it. So that's something that will be an issue for down the road. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5954.13,5962.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Because there was something called ERIP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5962.2,5965.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e We're still paying for ERIP; every single one of my checks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5965.5,5969.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e That ends in 2026. And then I don't know what they're going to do, because that extra 1% of withholding on your paycheck was supposed to cover the cost of the early retirement incentive program from 2010.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5969.97,5983.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe they're hoping all those retirees are just going to die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5983.02,5989.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e That's part of it. Well, I got the whole theory of how pensions worked is that they have actuaries looking at when these people are going to die. And that's really the bottom line is how long do they have to keep the money around to pay these people. And then all the people who are getting the pension saying, let's see if I can beat the system, let's see how long I can make it. You know, the cutoff is somewhere between 15 to 20 years. If you retired more than 20 years, you've beaten the system. You're everything then is gravy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=5989.44,6017.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6017.16,6018.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Because what they do, they spread it out, so some part of the cost is a portion of the contributions you made all those years, but not all of it. And then at that point it's completely profit. Although the way I look at it, when you get your pension, you actually get all your money back much sooner than that if you look at it in a different way, not the official way, but the unofficial way, because I figured in three and a half years I got back every dollar I put into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6018.69,6044.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really interesting. Because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6044.88,6047.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e in terms of my pension benefit, my pension benefit in three and a half years covered everything I put in. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6047.76,6054.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Including the extra money for health care and everything else. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6054.18,6056.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e this is bringing something up. A little bit of side business that you took part in, which was you were actually on the board of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6056.94,6068.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e Deferred compensation plan. One of the perks of being involved with the union and being involved in negotiation and all this other stuff is that the union needed, had a position on the deferred compensation plan, which is a supplemental plan for city employees, that's in addition to the pension. It's similar to a 401 K, except that it's in addition to your pension. It's not instead of your pension.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6068.88,6089.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6089.91,6090.75"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I got put on the board to represent the union chair. And so that was a nice perk for me. What was funny about that is that Roy Stone, who was president of the guild, and Joe Parisi, who was the head of AFSCME, they suggested my name and put me on it. Then they called me to tell me about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6090.75,6111.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Because they knew you'd say no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6111.81,6114.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So I said, \"Oh, okay.\" So know that old joke about do it first and apologize later or something like that? So they kind of set me up. But it was a fascinating position, and it meant I got to rub elbows with the heads of different pension plans and with different city departments. I got to know someone Maggie Whalen who was the head of City Personnel for many, many years. And so I got to know her and I got to know people in the Personnel Department, and so made a lot of connections for me. And so that was kind of fascinating. It was also fun for me from the financial side, because I had an insight into how the plan worked. I had my own views and opinions, and I got to express them and say what I thought. Now the board basically is like a voting like, just like the Board of Library Commissioners is. So we don't have to come in with the expertise. The staff does all the work. And they have consultants who do all the research so there's a lot of knowledge being given to us, our job is to evaluate it and vote on it. So we don't have to be experts. And I was not an expert, but it meant that I got something that would fun for me because it was something I was very interested in. And I guess I could say I had a vested interest in deferred comp plan because I had a lot of money in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6114.09,6184.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6184.86,6186.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e So that meant it meant something to me, but it's just fascinating to see how other people did it in other departments For example, we could see the participation rate in other departments, like how many departments had everybody in it, how many departments only had a third of the people in it. You could see how active they were in it. Fascinating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6186.87,6201.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6201.81,6202.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e we also learned, like Police and Fire were known for having the most active participants, and they put the most money into it because a lot of them were looking at retiring very early because of the kind of job they had.  so for them, it was very important to have that money there. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6202.17,6216.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6216.66,6217.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e And then later on they had me run for election. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6217.83,6221.13"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e remember that. Different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6221.13,6222.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e position. And there it was not based on any reputation that I had, it was just based on \"the union said 'vote for this guy.'\" But enough people voted for me that I got in. And participation in those votes is really tiny because nobody even knows what the board does. So I said, \"okay, I'll take that.\" I did that, in total, I did it for almost seven years. And then around that time, I was starting to think, am I going to be retiring or not? Because I was thinking I was in my mid 50s. By that point, I was starting to toy with the idea of retiring, and it was around the time of the early retirement incentive program, and so I said I'm not sure I can commit to staying on the board, so that's why I decided to leave. Ah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6222.24,6260.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6260.98,6262.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e It turned out that I applied for the ERIP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6262.0,6265.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not know that, Richard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6265.96,6267.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRichard Kraus:\u003c/strong\u003e They gave us seven days to change our minds. On the seventh day, I changed my mind. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6267.88,6273.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so I knew that you'd been toying with retirement for quite a while before you actually retired. 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No, it's fun to share that. I also gave a lot of information about people's paychecks, like how to check on your paycheck and why you're getting that benefit and also how paychecks work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835#t=6366.2,6374.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/140491/file/259835/transcript/73942/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEva Mitnick:\u003c/strong\u003e Demystifying it, yeah. 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