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My name is Jim Sherman. I'm a librarian in the Literature \u0026 Fiction Department. Today, I have the honor and pleasure to be speaking with Fontayne Holmes, who, among other things, was City Librarian from 2004 to 2008. 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So I just want to -- as we were discussing prior to the recording, I just want to talk about some basic questions, that are similar for everybody on this, in this interview process. What year did you start with LAPL and what positions have you held in the system? So that'll take a minute. (both laugh)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=41.72,67.501"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I started in 1959. I was a Messenger Clerk, which meant I shelved books. I mean, that was the job. Some libraries, they call it Pages. And so I was in high school, and I was a Messenger Clerk there. 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And, and I remember, I remember the Children's Librarian coming to Crescent Heights Elementary School. I mean, I was impressed. Well, I was a reader, too, but I was, you know, very impressed early on with libraries and books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=88.1,106.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=106.58,107.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e And my aunt worked at Memorial Branch Library when I was, when I was a child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=107.42,111.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Roughly what years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=111.86,112.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it must have been... nineteen—I was like seven, I don't know--1952 or something like that. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=112.98,123.034"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=123.08,123.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e So ... I worked in high school at Robertson Branch Library, and actually I worked in, in LA Public Library for more than thirty-four years because I worked some of the jobs I had were half time. And so when they, when you go to retire at the end of wonderful life and career in LA Public Library, that they count the halftime years, they only give you a half credit, so—but anyways. But I've been with Los Angeles Library more than thirty-four years and I've had thirteen different jobs. So Robertson Branch was first, and then I also was a Clerk Typist there when I was at UCLA. Then, and I went to graduate school at UCLA, to the Library and Information Science graduate school, and my first job after leaving library school was the West Los Angeles Regional Branch, where I was a Reference Librarian. Oh my gosh. I should have written this down. 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And then— Which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=188.26,200.174"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=200.42,200.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e It was an Orthodox Jewish high school in the neighborhood. So I really learned a lot at the, at this school, and so it was, so I was— Do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=200.94,210.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e you remember the name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=210.86,211.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Rambam Torah Institute on Robertson Boulevard, at the time. And that was I think the boys school was there and the girls school was in, you know, in Beverly Hills. But I would go as a librarian. I went to both campuses. So— And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=211.66,225.546"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e just to be sure. So what roughly what year is this at this point? Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=226.18,229.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e this was nineteen... let me think, 1968 to till I ...till my girls were in, you know, nursery school and then I was able to come back to LA Public. 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But I had my next job was in at the Hollywood Regional Branch Library, where I was a Young Adult Librarian. And then from there I went to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=248.35,259.875"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is, now we're talking about early seventies. 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And then I, then from there I went to, Central Library to the Literature \u0026 Fiction Department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=274.67,281.689"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yay!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=282.79,283.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And, and from there I went to, Palms Rancho Park Branch Library as the Young Adult Librarian. And I was actually recruited by a colleague (laughs) because, you know, to take the position there. And ... I think at that time my daughters were like, oh twelve, eleven, twelve, and she said, \"Oh, the girls can come here after school (laughs) while you're at the library.\" That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=283.13,311.274"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e a good thing, that's a good thing. A perk. 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I promoted, then I went to Interlibrary Loan in the 1980s—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=316.77,341.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e As a Senior? As","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=341.29,341.802"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e the Senior Librarian. So I was a Senior at the Regional Branch and then at, ... and then from there—let me see. (laughs) , so that was then. Oh, then after the Central Library fire, I took a position out of the system. I was the director of the South Pasadena Public Library. City Librarian there. 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It's always been interesting combination of excellent library service and these like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=414.97,422.964"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e No. And such a wonderful community—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=423.37,425.193"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e —but, but problems with governance. But, whatever. 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Well, but I came back as—and then I, the job that I took was, the Principal Librarian in Branch Library Services. I was the Assistant, you know, Librarian at branch, branch library—Assistant Manager of Branch Library Services. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=441.57,458.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e so you returned. Do you remember what year you returned?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=458.57,460.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I returned in, ... Let's see. This all took place right after the fire. 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And then, you know, my predecessor, Joanna Johnson, who she, she had been the Assistant Director of Branches before me. Well, they didn't call it that then, but anyways, she—I took her job. She moved. And, and she was involved in the building of the Hollywood Regional Branch Library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=468.51,491.225"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, great. So that's a whole great story. 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And that led to a huge revision of the California Building Code, the state code. Really higher, much higher standards for seismic reinforcement. And so we had vacate orders on thirteen of our historic libraries, and we either had to build or move out. You know, we had to move. And we had, we had to—we couldn't be in the library. You know, I mean, they they really felt that they were dangerous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=493.99,561.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was after the Whittier quake in particular?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=562.17,565.446"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e ... well, no, this was in the, I'm talking about the the standards were set in 1932. Yeah, in 1932. Yes. You're right. I came after the Whittier. I was at South Pasadena Library where you, you know, in South—We felt it very strongly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=565.45,580.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, sure you were close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=580.53,580.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I used to get to work at 7:00 a.m. because I came from Los Angeles and whatever. And yeah, so that was very strongly felt. And actually at South Pasadena, all the north-south shelves collapsed. Collapsed. You know, the east-west were great. So you know where how the fault went. 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But that did generate like, with the issue the Whittier earthquake generated that issues that you had to deal with when you came back as Assistant— Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=612.19,619.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e And we— the vacate orders were from our own city department. You know, so ... yeah. So, I started working on building projects right then. And when I took the job, and I did not know what a grommet was, which is really just a hole in the wall. But, I mean, I didn't know anything about building, so it was a real learning process. And then, and then in 1989, we presented a recommendation to the Board of Library Commissioners—administration did—to introduce a bond issue for new branch libraries. And, that was, I think, at that time, what was it called? The second bond issue that we did was Proposition DD. Now I—the first bond issue—well, anyways, could have been Proposition 1. 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Right. Right. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=675.25,675.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e and, and basically it was, for twenty-nine libraries, it was, fifty, $54.3 million. And to build the, to seismically reinforce, expand if possible, and renovate the thirteen historic libraries. And then the other sixteen libraries were communities that did not have libraries. And actually, you know, famously, Platt and Mid-Valley and Porter Ranch had been on the books as communities that required new libraries. And so they had been waiting for like twenty years (laughs) anyway. So they were included in all the new libraries. And, and so then, so I worked on that project, you know, when I was Assistant Director of Branches. And, and that was the position I stayed in the longest, by the way. I think it must have been sixteen years, but it kind of changed names and titles. 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Yeah, she was a real, a really good person. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=741.58,749.094"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And then you held the position of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=749.86,751.826"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e ... So and then ... she, she declared that she was going to retire like a year before she retired. 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So I didn't get the position at that time. And ... Carmen Martinez was appointed from out of the system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=768.6,775.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Did she come from the county?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=775.88,777.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she—yeah she did. She came from—wait, no. Elizabeth Martinez came from Orange County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=777.8,785.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what I was thinking of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=785.24,786.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think, Carmen came from, like, the Bay area. You know, the San Francisco area. And then she left a few years after, after Elizabeth left, she left. And she went to became head of Oakland Public Library. Carmen. Yeah. So then, so the bond issue was, you know, really fabulous. We did have to find, some rental possibilities and some community places to set up stations and set up, you know, a library for many of the ones that we had to demolish. And, you know, the building process usually was anywhere from, you know, three to five years. So. And so I had that position for a long time. And then during that time in, in the first bond issue was 1989. We introduced a second bond issue in 1998 to, for the rest, for also new libraries and to expand and build new libraries, for libraries that just were inadequate for their communities. And that was $178 million bond issue. And we were going to build thirty-two libraries. But, we worked very closely with the communities. We were partners with the Bureau of Engineering and Public Works, especially in the second bond issue... the person who I worked most closely with, he was, he was the manager in Public Works. I was the manager in the library for this huge two bond issue (laughs).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=786.32,890.489"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And at this point, is it, you're the Assistant still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=890.84,892.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm still Assistant. I was Assistant for a long time, I think. Then ... that's what I'm trying to remember what happened. I think, the Director of Central Library retired. Carmen Martinez was still Director of Branches, you know, in 1998, and -- so the City Librarian offered me the Central Library, to become Director of the Central Library. And so, you know, it was it was an interview process. And, you know, it was I was, you know, really very honored to be offered the position. I only worked in, I worked in Central Library for many years, but I only was in a department of Central Library for one year, the Literature \u0026 Fiction Department. The rest of the time I was the head of Interlibrary Loan, and then I was the Assistant Director of Branches. So I was on the third floor in Administration. So ... I accepted the position, but it was an acceptance with, with Susan Kent's caveat. She wanted me to continue managing the bond program. So. 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And you know, as much as I love the Central Library building, I was a branch person. (laughs) And I was working with branches all these years, and I knew all, you know, I knew all their needs. I mean, we developed the program plans for every branch. I worked with every architect. 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And it was a seller, there was nothing else for sale. We, ... in the first bond issue, we had to do some eminent domain. Oh my gosh. I learned so much in the first bond issue that when I got to the second bond issue, I certainly wasn't going to make that mistake again. 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As a matter of fact— On","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=1196.77,1197.601"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Huntington [Drive] there. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=1197.601,1197.678"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e El Sereno. And there was an empty lot, right in a great place in the community. 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No. And, well, it's, it's legitimate. It's wonderful what you did and ... Because, not to, not to throw any shade on Althea, but how many branches did she— difficult. 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I was offered a job at—what?—University of Indiana Library and they had a, it was, you know, they had a great historic, you know, I mean—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=2118.67,2126.984"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e They're a great, that's a great school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=2127.19,2127.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. 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I know I never started a community without saying, This is what we know. I mean, we this is, I mean, we know the requirements for actually operating a library that works, but we want to know all the rest of this from you. I mean, it wasn't carte blanche, you know, but we learned from them and, yeah. So, so there's so many people, and so many city departments, and so many outside agencies. I mean, oh my gosh, every, every historic library had to be approved by the state architecture and the state commission. And, I mean, I think I have a list in here. It's unbelievable. If you see the list. I mean, I don't know if I would take a city job if I was going to, you know, be an architect for a library. (laughs) Give me a church. Give me a—(laughs). Give me—(laughs). 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And then, but not only did we design those, we had many, we rented many, many different spaces to do a temporary library because, you know, we had to tear down libraries. And so it took two years, you know, or three years to build the one library. So we, we had, you know, we were, yeah. And it's interesting, the bond issue ... only paid for property, design, and construction of the library. No FF\u0026E [Furniture, fixtures, and equipment]. No furniture, no fixtures, no collection, no staff. So for all of that, we had to go each year in the city budget requesting additional staff, requesting funds for the furniture and equipment. So it was really important support, in order, so it's more than just what the just, you know, more than, you know. And the other thing is, you know, because we pass the bond issues with such huge, huge numbers, we were able to leverage the money we had and we were able to apply for other grants. 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Oh my—well, you know, sometimes they wanted specific things. And if it fit the profile and it fit our, you know, our service needs and what our mission is, you know, then that could be approved. So, I'm trying to think it was, ? Oh, let's see, well, I mean, certainly, you know, Little Tokyo and Chinatown both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=2503.19,2524.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great, yeah. 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Yeah. And then—I'm trying to think, oh—the Mid-Valley library, which was the biggest building that we built because it was a regional library. And it was twenty, I think it's twenty-six thousand square feet. We had a standard of twenty thousand at that time for the regional library, but it also was the Valley bookmobile. And so, so it was, you know, a really, a really big building. And, and we did get a California State Library grant for it. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=3012.48,3014.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e know, but then, you know, I mean, PR was ours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=3014.2,3017.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure. Of course, of course. 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Who was the Senior at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=3198.09,3200.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Romaine Ahlstrom. Of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=3200.45,3201.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e course. Another great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=3201.49,3202.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Romaine, and Romaine was head of Collection Development when we were stuck in the center of Central Library in our little office. And, and so I'm kind of, I'm very organized, and I like, you know, I know usually I know where everything is. Well, one was my boss, Jennifer Lambelet, who her desk was always power—but I knew where everything was and it could take me ten minutes to get to it. But her, she just would pick it up. But Romaine was the other one where things were all over. 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So, yeah. And the fire happened in back and up above the circ desk? Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4699.9,4704.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was a flue, I mean, you know, it was waiting to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4704.66,4708.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Of course. 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And anyone that's interested in this topic can always look up The Communicator, because they—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4769.2,4774.194"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4775.06,4775.692"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e —They have covered that very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4776.06,4777.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's true, and I never, I always, you know, felt I could be honest in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4777.22,4781.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Well, you know, you -- yeah, I understand that. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4781.26,4784.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFontayne Holmes:\u003c/strong\u003e know, but it's, it's what position you're in. And, you know, sometimes you just— Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4784.14,4786.934"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e totally understand. Absolutely. 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Yeah, for the whole building. 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So it was the pallets and, you know, and the boxes. And it was, it was, you know, it was amazing, you know. So yes, we were, we were there and, you know, and they were very successful in implementing that. And, you know, the result is not what anyone expected. In my opinion, you know. So, I guess it was worth trying. (laughs) Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303#t=4879.6,4912.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/158024/file/288303/transcript/83177/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e sure. Yeah, yeah. 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