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I'll be the interviewer today. I'm a Librarian here at LAPL's Central Library. Today is Thursday, September 26th. It's about 1:15 p.m. and we're recording in the Octavia Lab at Central Library in downtown Los Angeles. Could you introduce yourself and say how you'd like to be identified?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4.12,22.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWAYNE HEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Hello, my name is Wayne Healy. I'm a Chicano artist—and I don't know what else to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=23.56,35.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That's perfect. (both laugh) You'll have plenty more opportunity to say more. So Wayne, I'd love to start with some of your childhood and early years memories. So where were you born and where did you grow up, Wayne?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=35.32,50.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. I was born out of town. My mom married early, and moved far away from Boyle Heights to Santa Barbara. And that's where I was born, Santa Barbara. For whatever reasons, the marriage didn't last. And so I got my first train ride when my grandmother came to Santa Barbara to pick up myself and my brother, who were born in Santa Barbara. And—we moved to Boyle Heights, where my mother was born. And began a life there. My mom married my dad. I call him my dad. He's my stepfather or yeah, stepfather. But he raised me like his own. And he was born in Calexico and grew up in Boyle Heights. And—he could do anything. There was many hours we spent in the garage working on model airplanes and radios and things like that. So I could say I got my technical—technical abilities in that garage on Arizona Avenue in East L.A.—Let me take a break.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=51.68,209.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That was great so far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=210.16,214.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=216.2,216.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How old were you when you moved to Boyle Heights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=223.92,226.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e When I went to where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=227.0,228.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e To Boyle Heights from Santa Barbara.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=228.24,229.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I was about—see, my brother was like two, so I was probably four. Four years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=230.76,242.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e You remember that trip?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=242.84,244.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember being held and cradled by my grandmother. Because I think it was my Uncle Fito who drove—drove her up there. And her crying all the way home. All the way from Santa Barbara to Boyle Heights. Because here these kids don't have a father now. But I look at that as just a little bump in the road. And I don't know what life would have been with my father, who was quite a drinker. And I got inspired by technical things from my dad and really how to be a man. And so that set me on a course that took me to two sides of my endeavor. One was creative and artistic, and the other was technical and mechanical. And so when some people might ask when you quit mechanical and took art or you quit art and became mechanical, and actually it was both simultaneously in different venues. That's all I can think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=245.16,388.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so it sounds like your stepdad played a really major influence in your life from early on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=388.68,395.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he did. If I was going to go to school, the school was going to have to lead to a paycheck. And that's what a man would do. And so when I was going to college, someone might ask, Oh, you're taking art in college? I go, No, I'm not taking art, I'm taking engineering. I want to be worth being hired to make—pay my way. And he came from kind of a broken up family. And we're planning to go see him. I don't know how many days he's got left on this planet. But I love that guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=395.28,472.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e What's his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=475.8,476.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e His name is Robert Ryan Olea. And he's worked every kind of job and even made his own company called Radel Upholstery. So he and my mom split up. And so I haven't seen him for a while. I'm looking forward to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=477.12,521.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How old is he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=522.0,522.919"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he was born in 1930, so that makes him seventy plus twenty-four. Ninety-four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=523.919,531.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wow. That's incredible you'll get to see him soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=531.36,535.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. He survived—oh, he survived the 82nd Airborne Division because he was a paratrooper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=536.12,549.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=551.72,552.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was a pretty spectacular way to serve your country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=553.36,558.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't ask what year you were born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=562.64,564.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in 1946. So I guess they would call me a baby boomer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=565.16,572.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd love to hear any more memories you have or want to share of being in the garage with your stepdad, if you have other specific memories of being there in that garage with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=575.84,585.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the garage was—I didn't do artwork in there. I did projects, mechanical projects. And my dad would be either working on something mechanical or electrical. And my dad's cousin, Bill Robles, would come by because he was a big model airplane—and he'd come and go into the garage. And Bill Robles was married to my mom's sister, Lydia. And so while they were in the kitchen doing what they did in the kitchen, we were in the garage, locked up, doing model airplanes and shortwave radios and working with tools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=586.68,657.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your relationship with your mom like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=662.32,664.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e My mom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=665.36,665.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=665.88,666.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that was pretty good. I was her firstborn, and she was not what you would call sexist, because she taught me how to wash dishes and cook myself. I was prepared for—being on my own, really. But life threw me the real ace in the hole when it introduced me to my wife, Bibi. And so I don't do too many dishes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=667.4,718.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e When did you meet your wife?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=719.52,720.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I met my wife in high school. She was about two grades or three grades younger than me. I was the same age as her brother. And I met him—we were athletes. Played high school basketball. Cesar [real name is Roy]. I played football, and I ran track. And so I got to know Cesar pretty good. And he invited me over to his house one time, and I went over there, and there was this cute little girl. I think she was in junior high school. And I said, Hey, I'm looking for Roy. And she said, Oh, okay. She eventually turned that around and says, I'm going to marry you. (Wayne's wife, Bibi, laughs off microphone; she later introduces herself) I said, Wait a minute. I just came to see your brother. (Sokol laughs) But that's a true story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=722.92,813.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Sounds like it was your lucky day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=813.16,814.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e It was my lucky day. This is why I'm here, sitting here talking to you instead of driving around the parking structure trying to figure out how to get here. (Sokol laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=814.92,828.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e What high school did you go to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=830.28,831.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Excuse me. Garfield High School. It was founded in 1925, and it's out in the —it's in the county. It's L.A. East L.A. And—going to school there was interesting. I was getting high grade point averages, so I was doing good as a student. But I remember when I was in college and talking to one of my classmates in engineering, and we were talking about grade point averages. And I said, Well, I got a 3.6 or something like that. And the guy looked at me and like, 3.6? There was five or six 4.0s at my school, which was Birmingham or some west side school. So I got a lesson in how relative—relativity in who's smart and who's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=833.28,931.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you always like school from an early age or—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=933.08,935.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I did. I enjoyed grammar school. Going out in the playground and swing on the swings and play tetherball. And then we'd go on trips. Trips close by to the Museum of Natural History, things like that. 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That was fun—it was so fun I can't think of what was fun about it. (both laugh) It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=978.4,997.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e was a few years ago. I don't blame you, you know. (both laugh) But it sounds like you had a pretty well-rounded childhood. A lot of support. You were very engaged and interested in school. And you had friends, it sounds like. 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Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1081.44,1084.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, her father made an architectural model of—what did he make? Which one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1085.6,1097.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e City Hall. (Wayne's wife, Bibi, off microphone)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1097.24,1100.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e City Hall. He made an architectural maquette of the City Hall, which was brand new at the time. 1933 I think it was. And he donated that to the City of L.A., and they put it in the Southwest Museum where it stood there. And I heard that legend for so long, and I one time I finally said, I got to check this out. I went there, and sure enough, there it was. And so he's, to me, the patriarch of my long lost Chicano art. So going to—I remember going to the L.A. County Art Museum and seeing some of the abstract expressionists and going, What the hell is that? So I was like one of these guys like, You call that art? My art was taken from my uncles, who used to sit down at the kitchen table and just start drawing on any loose piece of paper. And they'd do that, and I'd just stand there and just stare and wonder, Wow, that is so cool. 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I would say six years old. Five years old, six years old. I would start—and they would give me a paper, Here's a paper, draw something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1212.76,1235.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So you started from an early age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1238.04,1239.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I thought I was in the company of gods. I couldn't draw like that. And just doing it was my lessons and they say, No, no, no, man, look, put the eyebrow like that. See, look at that, see that, do it like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1239.88,1269.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That was your uncle saying that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1269.2,1270.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1270.44,1270.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So he was helping you, he was guiding you. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1271.04,1272.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e he was guiding me. And it was he, it was—two main ones was Joe and—Louie. And so they left that in me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1272.92,1292.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Were they both uncles of yours?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1292.68,1294.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Sons of my grandfather who made the City Hall. So that's why I say it's a straight shot for the DNA to there.—Anyway, the fanciest I got there was watercolors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1294.36,1321.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1324.24,1324.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember painting something in watercolors, and I had my little pencil drawing and had some colors on there, and my Uncle Lou comes in, Hey Harry, what are you doing? He called everybody Harry. (Sokol laughs) I'm painting. He says, Oh, man, here give me that, give me a piece of paper. So I can give him a piece of paper. And I have a magazine there, Outdoor Life, hunting magazine. So in there, a color photo, and they show a hunter in the trees and all that. He said, give me that, watch this. Da da da da. Man, he had the hunter. He had the rifle. He had quail flying just like that. And I'm just stunned. Damn, this guy's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1324.48,1380.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. At that point, how did you come up with the ideas of what you were drawing or wanted to draw? Was it looking through magazines? Was it people you knew? Friends? Like, what were you drawing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1381.92,1394.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it was—I remember a lot of Mighty Mouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1394.92,1398.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1398.48,1398.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e He was a hero of mine. But war scenes. Because I used to like war comics and different genres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1400.52,1420.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Was your mom an artist as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1424.44,1426.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Not like my uncles. She influenced me a lot and stuff, but not in art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1429.04,1438.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How would you say she influenced you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1439.52,1441.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Pardon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1441.52,1441.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How would you say that she did influence you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1441.92,1443.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e How she did influence me? I learned how to cook and take care of myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1444.48,1452.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. What was your mom's name? I didn't ask you that yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1452.76,1459.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Raquel Alaniz. She was born Raquel Alaniz. And she married my father. So she became Rachel Healy. And eventually ended up Rachel Andrews. So I think she was married three times. Three","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1462.2,1491.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1491.52,1492.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Three ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1494.08,1494.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And can you describe your neighborhood or the community around you in Boyle Heights at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1495.6,1501.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we came from Santa Barbara. I moved to Soto. Soto and Evergreen. No. I can't think of the name of the street. But I remember we lived on Houston Street. Houston came off of Soto Street, and there was alleys all through East L.A. And so we would cruise the alleys and look for soda bottles. You get two cents for that. And so that was an activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1503.2,1567.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e This was you and your friends were doing this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1567.16,1568.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Me and my cousins really. Because we came back and moved together with other recently divorced relatives. And, well, like Soto Street, Houston Avenue—. I'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1569.32,1613.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e love to hear—so I know you and David, the other founder of East Los Streetscapers, you guys have known each other for a really long time. You first met in elementary school, right? Can you tell me about your early relationship? Do you remember meeting him and kind of your earliest memories together? Can you share what you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1613.24,1630.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we were in kindergarten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1630.76,1634.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1635.2,1635.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e At Humphreys Avenue School. And the school is still there. I'm waiting for them to make it a historical landmark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1636.84,1645.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Me too. (Healy laughs) It ought to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1646.2,1649.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But yeah, in kindergarten, you learn names, and you got to go play in the sandbox. And you met people like that. And I don't know, I guess one day or over the course of several days, I see this one classmate of mine who's drawing something. And I checked that out, Oh. And I drew something, and he checked it out. And we checked out each other's artwork. 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Well, she got a length of butcher paper. I don't know, it seemed a mile long, it was probably six feet long. And taped it on over the blackboard and said, You guys draw something for the open house. So hell, Look at that, six feet long, wow. That was the greatest. So a six foot piece of paper to second graders. Exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1719.52,1773.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's pretty big. (both laugh) Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1774.32,1775.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So was that your first mural?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1776.44,1777.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e So we say that was our first mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1778.08,1780.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That's incredible. Wow. And was that the first time you created something together, or had you been drawing together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1781.72,1789.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e We had probably been drawing over each other up to that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1789.08,1795.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Do you remember what that first larger one, the mural, what you drew together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1795.6,1802.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember the image, but I remember it was probably dinosaurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1802.32,1806.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1806.68,1807.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Dinosaurs were were the coolest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1808.48,1810.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1810.84,1811.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw One Million B.C. I think—it was on TV—but dinosaurs. Oh man, there's nothing cooler than dinosaurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1812.12,1833.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially as a second grader. Right? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1834.72,1837.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e (both laugh) Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1838.6,1838.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing. It's so great that you have those early memories with David. Your creativity is so—the roots are so deep together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1838.96,1864.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.—We didn't—I didn't go over his house a lot or stuff like that. So school was kind of where we interacted. It wasn't until way later when I met him again. Oh, I guess I could say he went out of my life. And when we were about ten or twelve, I don't know. And I never really thought about it that much, but it was like he was gone. He like disappeared. Well, he disappeared because—Pomona Freeway came through his house—no, it wasn't the Pomona Freeway, it was an earlier freeway. San Bernardino. So what do they call that when you take your rights of passage through a neighborhood and build a freeway. I guess it was the Long Beach Freeway that went through his house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1864.88,1961.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1961.96,1962.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, like I say, I was—I don't know, eight years old. And I didn't see him again until a party of artists—he belonged to a group called Goez [Art Studio \u0026 Gallery]. And I had a group—I belonged to a group called Mechicano [Art Center]. And those two groups got together at a party for some reason. And this tall, skinny kid comes up to me, and I'm a short, fat guy and says, Hey, I know you. I look at him, I don't know you. Yeah, where are you from? He says this and that and this and that, and several conversations that ended. And I'm going, Hm. And finally it dawned on me or both of us that it's the same cat from grammar school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=1964.84,2058.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2058.199,2058.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And—anyway, it was like we had to get together. And pretty soon, he tells me about his experiences, and I tell him about my experiences. And I find out that Goez is painting the murals which I had seen. And Mechicano was painting murals in the projects which I was participating in. And it was like, Oh, you're painting over there, which ones, which did you paint? And he said, this one, Dreams of Flight. Oh, Dreams of Flight, that's my favorite. And he asked what I had painted, and I told him Ramona Gardens. Oh, that's my favorite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2067.44,2141.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2142.16,2142.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e So we were fans of each other without knowing who we were at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2143.0,2150.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You guys were so deeply connected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2151.16,2153.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. And so that affected us such that—Hey, we should paint a mural together. And yeah, so we flipped a coin, and I won or lost, depending on your point of view. (Sokol laughs) But I said—I got to pick a wall and we'll paint one. We'll paint a mural. And in the house I live in right now, blocks away, went to this—it's like 50 years now—there was a California Bank. It's changed several times, but I saw this wall on Daly and North Broadway, blocks from where I live. And I said, I'd like to talk to the manager. And they're like, What do you want to talk about with the manager? I was just looking at this wall. Oh, he's over there. So I go talk to the manager, and I'm trying to be—I'm convinced I'm the world's worst salesman, but I'm going to give this a try. And I said, Hi there, I was admiring that wall on Daly. He says, What about it? I say, it would be a great place to put a mural. And I expect him to start arguing and kicking me out of the bank. (Sokol laughs) And he goes, What would you put there? I said, Well, you know, the Chicano Movement is happening, and you got a lot of Chicanos in line I see. He said, Well, what can you do? And now he's grilling me about a mural that I was nervous about bringing up to him. Anyway, that ended up being the first Streetscaper mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2153.16,2307.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that Chicano Time Trip?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2309.6,2310.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Chicano Time Trip. Yeah, that's it. Chicano Time Trip. It's like twenty feet tall. Seventeen feet tall and runs about a hundred feet along, but it's broken into panels, so it's not a hundred foot solid. But it's come out in TV, movies, and things like that as a backdrop. And that was the first Streetscaper mural and only led to more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2310.68,2353.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So you said that you kind of flipped a coin. What was the collaborative process like? Did you and David both kind of come up with the idea, or how did you guys work together to enact that and bring it to life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2354.32,2367.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e It worked out really good. Pretty fast. Because if I have more strength in drawing line, and David has more strength in color composition, that's a natural combination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2369.0,2392.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you're complementing each other very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2392.04,2393.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Complement. It's complementary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2394.32,2396.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And you probably didn't know that until you were actually doing the mural, right? You can't plan that, right? (laughs) Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2398.36,2404.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we did the cartoon at each other's house. 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Because I'd paint something, and he'd say, Put more of this color in there. And then he might get to a point where he's drawing something, and I'd say, Here, look, if you turn the hand this way, it'll look this way. And we kind of did art school to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2430.24,2456.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Because you both had such strengths that, you know, helped the other one out. There","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2456.88,2463.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e was no time to argue. It was too big a job to sit there and say, No, that should be green, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2463.16,2472.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. How long did it take? That first one to get—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2472.92,2477.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e That first one took—on the wall, took—six, seven months, eight months maybe. A long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2477.32,2489.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And did the bank give you like a deadline that you had to have it done by or was it more of a self-imposed deadline?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2490.0,2494.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they didn't give me a deadline. (Sokol laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2494.52,2497.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e You just wanted to get on with your life. You just wanted to get it done as fast as possible. Wanted","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2497.84,2501.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e to get it done, yeah. Yeah, that's funny, they gave us—(laughs). 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If I'm remembering correctly, it was sort of, and tell me if I'm wrong here, but kind of your response to an East Coast whitewashed symbolism of the bicentennial, is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2532.0,2542.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e You're talking about the color?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2543.36,2546.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e More like the imagery. Like who's in the mural? Who's part of the mural?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2546.92,2555.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e It was—the bicentennial year was coming up there, and so we wanted to do chronological, but not of the US, but of the New World. The final—there's four, there's five panels. One that covers the present day is about 17x30. And that is called—I forget how we called it, but it refers to current. So we have—if you go from left to right, no from right to left, the one that's closest to North Broadway is the wall of pre-Columbian. And then it's broken up into other panels. God, I can't—my mind is going. Anyway the panels are dedicated to a certain time period. So in the beginning, it's like cave painting. There's an image of an artist holding a lit shell full of animal lard, illuminating the right panel. And then—I can't even think of—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2556.84,2701.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2703.84,2704.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e You think that thing would be burned in my brain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2704.12,2706.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e You've done a lot of murals. (Both laugh) Yeah, but it sounds like you were trying to have it represent the community, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2706.88,2716.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, represent the community in panels and a timeline really. Chicano Time Trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2716.6,2724.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Which I imagine wasn't something that had been done really before on a wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2724.64,2729.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No. It's been relatively graffiti free. It's had its episodes, but mostly it's been respected by the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2731.36,2748.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And it's still up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2748.28,2749.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's still up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2749.4,2750.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How does it feel to drive by it now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2751.2,2753.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. I look for where did they put graffiti.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2753.76,2760.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.—I want to go back a little bit in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2761.6,2769.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2769.8,2770.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And I'm curious, before you and David remet—because I know in college, you were kind of focusing on aerospace, mechanical engineering, math. 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And my studio would be the kitchen table, and it would be a rainy day, so I couldn't play, so I might as well draw.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2795.04,2851.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I love it. It sounds to me like your—kind of the art and the science and math, like they were two sides of the same coin for you. You don't really see a separation between them. They kind of informed each other—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2855.96,2867.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. My uncles, I had several uncles that influenced me in one way or the other. My dad's brother, Freddy Olea, was a gymnast, and he worked on math. And so I would go over to my grandmother's house with the family for Christmas or whatever, and he'd say, Hey, how you doing, how you doing in school? And, Oh, I'm doing good. And he would ask me about math. He said, Do you know about negative numbers? Negative numbers, what's that? And he'd sit down with me and he'd say, Look, here's one plus one is two, and here's one plus a minus one is equal to zero. And I'm going, What the hell? How's that? He'd take simple things like that and run it by me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2867.68,2961.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e My Uncle Bill Robles, who was my dad's cousin, showed me an airfoil section. So here, notice the top curve like that, and the bottom is flat. That's Bernoulli's principle. Bernoulli was a physicist from Holland or somewhere, and he'd say, Look, see this molecule here? It's got to run straight back to the trailing edge. Here's another molecule right here. It's got to go over this hump to get over, and for continuity and meet at the same time as the one in the front. In other words, the velocity of the bottom of that airfoil is faster—is not as fast as the one that's got over the hump. And the faster the molecule goes, the less pressure it has. So that difference in that delta P from the bottom of that airfoil to the top is a positive pressure. So that's called lift. And I'm being dazzled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=2966.16,3070.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3071.0,3071.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And then next time I see him at Halloween or Christmas dinner or something like that, he'd come up with something else. Look at this elevator. The elevator pushes on that, causes a turning movement, and the airplane wants to fly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3072.24,3092.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How old would you have been around this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3094.04,3095.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess junior high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3100.92,3102.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3103.64,3104.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Something like that. And uh—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3104.52,3114.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And I imagine when you—. I mean, I'm curious, when you started doing murals again—. Well, actually, no matter what kind of art you were making, whether it was on a piece of paper or later in life doing murals, this sort of science technical background, you were probably drawing on that, right? And thinking about that as you were doing your art. Is that accurate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3124.76,3149.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would make drawing of—what do you call a thought problem? And like, I just did this airfoil section.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3150.4,3165.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3166.08,3166.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e So I draw that, and then I extend to the wingtip. 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Well, it was a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3273.68,3276.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e What was the job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3280.16,3281.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e The job was working on jet engines for General Electric.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3281.92,3287.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3287.64,3288.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e So we had a house which had a basement, and she used to beat me at ping pong all the time. 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Coworkers' kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3352.32,3356.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3357.2,3358.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So, people. People in your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3360.12,3362.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.—I remember Mike Hill. I painted a portrait of Mike Hill, and I think I sold it to him. I think it was a commission. I think it was fifty bucks. 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Mid to late sixties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3407.64,3409.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So, yeah, at that point you were working for GE and just doing kind of painting very much on the side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3413.6,3419.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, very much on the side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3420.0,3421.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3421.72,3422.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was an interesting period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3424.56,3427.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e How long were you in Cincinnati for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3430.96,3432.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Four and a half years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3434.92,3436.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3436.24,3436.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e He was getting his Master's at University of Cincinnati.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3438.56,3443.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3443.96,3445.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I got a Master's in Mechanical Engineering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3445.56,3448.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e While you were working?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3449.12,3451.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e While I was working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3451.08,3452.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3452.08,3453.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, GE had a tuition reimbursement program for their people. And so I wasn't going to let that go by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3453.76,3467.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e No. How was the Master's program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3467.64,3470.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e It was—it was confusing. I was doing—mechanical engineering. But it was—working on jet engines was like working on something in the garage with your dad. And teaching—technology—I'm trying to say here—I guess it was chalkboard physics. Chalkboard mechanical engineering, as opposed to fabricating and testing some empirical data. But I figured that was going to get me some more dough, so I went with it. In fact—it was getting time to go home. And I went back to give my oral after we had returned to L.A. I knew I wasn't going to stay in L.A. So when I got the job at GE, I had to drag my wife yelling and screaming across the states to the Midwest. And then after I got the degree, I had to drag her yelling and screaming back to L.A. 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(laughter)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3626.32,3632.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess they were friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3633.2,3634.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but did you know you wanted to go back to L.A. eventually or you weren't sure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3635.12,3640.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was pretty sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3641.24,3642.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3643.92,3644.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e The Chicano Movement was just calling him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3644.36,3646.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right. So at that time, you're in Cincinnati doing mechanical engineering, grad school, master's, and working for GE. Meanwhile, it's the late sixties, early seventies, right. And are you starting to—what do you know about what's happening in L.A. with the Chicano Movement at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3647.92,3667.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3668.48,3668.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And how were you hearing about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3670.52,3672.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e The L.A. Times was delivered everyday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3673.0,3675.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. You were getting the L.A. Times delivered to your Cincinnati home every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3676.28,3680.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Everyday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3680.52,3681.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. And so you're like starting to get the sense that something's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3681.76,3687.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. It was like, I got to get back. I got to get back home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3688.12,3696.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3696.48,3697.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3697.44,3699.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you in correspondence with friends in L.A. about what was happening too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3699.12,3703.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I'll say my brother.—No?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3705.72,3716.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just you and the L.A. Times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3719.28,3721.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You still had a lot of family in L.A., though, at that time, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3721.32,3725.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3725.44,3725.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3725.92,3727.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e  It was somebody that we contacted or were in contact with, family or friends. But it was a riot in East L.A. That's what it was. It was the Sunday Enquirer, Cincinnati Enquirer. And I picked up the paper off the front porch or front lawn or wherever they threw it. And right in the broad headline, East L.A. riots. I went, Whoa. If that isn't a message. And that began the movement to go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3729.72,3787.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3787.2,3787.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e That was it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3788.28,3789.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e  And do you remember what year that would have been?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3789.12,3791.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say the year of the riots, which is '69.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3792.32,3799.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3799.4,3799.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e No, '70. Laguna Park riot. That was—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3802.28,3807.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Laguna Park. '72.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3808.24,3809.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e '71, '72.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3809.36,3811.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3811.48,3812.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e It was shortly after Brandy was born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3813.08,3815.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3815.92,3816.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e That event brought us back home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3818.76,3821.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you quickly left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3821.72,3824.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e He had to be a part of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3825.64,3827.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. We didn't immediately leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3829.04,3833.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was it like when you first got back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3838.28,3840.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3849.8,3850.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e The art just started calling him and then after meeting several people—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3850.56,3855.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe just introduce yourself—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3859.68,3861.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Hello. I'm Bibi Healy, Wayne's wife. And we're just talking about what brought him back to Los Angeles. And it was the Laguna Park riot. Did we figure out the year '71, '72?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3861.68,3878.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3878.2,3881.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, shortly after that event, Wayne just got involved with various Chicano artists that eventually—he met them through the Mechicano Center. And that started the whole—his involvement in the art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3881.56,3906.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So that Laguna Park riot was August 29th, 1970.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3907.56,3912.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e '70, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3913.6,3914.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3914.6,3917.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, do you want to stretch or drink some water or anything, or do you—. Do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3921.0,3925.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e you want to get up and stretch though? All","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3925.08,3926.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e right. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3926.36,3926.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e (pause in recording)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3926.8,3927.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so we're going to resume. So Wayne, was there anything else about Cincinnati that you wanted to share about your time there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=3933.24,3940.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was—Cincinnati was a strange place for someone from East L.A. It was politically conservative.—A work mate at General Electric, he said, Healy, you're from L.A.? Yeah. L.A., man, that's crazy, they're just freaks out, they're crazy people. And you came to Cincinnati? Why would you do that? 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And did you kind of jump right into art making or activism or what were those first few months or that first little set of time when you came back into L.A., what was your life like at that time? How were you spending your time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4067.84,4085.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I started painting. And about that time I got involved with Mechicano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4090.56,4101.023"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you describe Mechicano a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4103.12,4104.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Mechicano was a non-profit group of artists that—. Chicano art was happening because the Raza movement was happening. So it was by definition political. And I didn't—I went there for the art and for the politics, I guess. But I didn't have time for the politics. I had to work for the military industrial complex. So I didn't see any conflict there. And so as long as that check kept coming in, I could do my artwork. And with a clean conscience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4106.359,4179.439"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Did that stop at a certain point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4179.6,4182.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think it got worse. It got worse—. Help me out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4184.24,4195.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you kept on working until the kids—until Ada got out of high school. 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You haven't really mentioned your kids yet. Do you want to talk about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4228.56,4234.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I could briefly say—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4236.0,4237.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, where were they born? They were both—how many do you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4238.24,4242.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4242.32,4242.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And they were both born in Cincinnati? Both","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4242.56,4244.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e born in Cincinnati.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4244.2,4245.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Cool. What are their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4245.32,4247.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Ada and Brandy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4247.88,4250.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And so they were pretty young when you moved back to L.A.?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4252.16,4254.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4254.72,4255.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4255.2,4255.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Brandy was just eighteen months, and Ada was three-and-a-half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4256.08,4262.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4262.2,4262.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e  We have some photos of you and Ada chasing the ducks at the duck park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4263.48,4274.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4275.8,4276.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e In Cincinnati?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4276.48,4281.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e In Cincinnati.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4283.96,4285.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e So at what point did you decide to quit the job when you came back to L.A.? 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4299.32,4301.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Hughes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4301.24,4302.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Hughes Aircraft Company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4302.96,4304.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And you're doing art on the side. And then how long after you moved did you decide to quit Hughes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4304.24,4312.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e When my daughter graduated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4312.8,4315.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e So we're going to say like about fifteen years after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4316.36,4320.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4320.56,4321.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e He continued working as an engineer. Until the early 80s was when he—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4321.92,4332.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4333.56,4334.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Asked for my opinion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4334.08,4335.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Wow. Okay. So it was like a decade. You moved back to L.A. in '72. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4335.68,4340.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And continued working full time and doing art, mural work and artwork on the side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4341.44,4347.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4347.52,4348.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Yeah. And were you—sorry, did you want to say—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4348.6,4353.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4356.12,4356.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. At the time, in the early 70s, like the beginning of that decade or so, you're becoming a bit more involved with Mechicano and some other artist groups. Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4356.72,4372.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4372.68,4373.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And I'm curious like how the politics kind of played into it. Like you were aware of it, but that wasn't what was bringing you to it. 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It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4400.72,4405.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e was happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4406.92,4407.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And it wasn't just murals for the art, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4411.84,4414.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4414.4,4414.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So you were doing—. Talk about what kind of art you were doing at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4414.92,4421.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Just my personal paintings. I've got a small painting. I had my oldest daughter on all fours with her head under her and trying to get a guinea pig, which we had. So some pretty Norman Rockwell paintings, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4421.4,4454.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you still have that painting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4456.08,4457.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Somebody—. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4458.24,4459.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e She has it. She kept it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4459.56,4460.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, she does? Cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4460.6,4462.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4462.88,4463.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e  I was going to ask, it may be hard to generalize, but the older paintings or paintings that are now thirty, forty years. Like did you keep a lot of them, did you sell them, do you still have some of them, or do you have any of them still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4464.44,4478.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, both. Have some. Sold some. And some for sale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4479.0,4487.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Some were gifted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4488.6,4489.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4490.36,4490.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Sales. And we still have, not as many. But we still have a few.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4491.32,4496.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4498.4,4498.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e And so at what point—when did murals come into your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4499.28,4505.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess it came in after the riots. Mechicano already had a political point of view. And it was really a print studio. So prints—silkscreen prints were—a lot of Viva La Raza, things like that. But the murals came after that incident. In fact, along Olympic Boulevard in Boyle Heights, Estrada Courts facing all those back walls of those housing units facing Olympic Boulevard. Goez put those in. And so I think they probably got the nod first. And so Mechicano decided, Hey, we got to get in on this. So they got the murals in— Ramona","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4509.48,4611.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Gardens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4611.16,4611.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Ramona ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4612.84,4613.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember the first mural that you worked on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4616.4,4618.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.—There was one there that was—oh, I can't even think of the name of it. But it was—they said, Sure, go to Ramona Gardens at seven o'clock or eight o'clock on Saturday. We're going to paint a mural. I thought, Hm, that sounds interesting. So I went over there, and there was, I don't know, about six, seven, eight artists, and some I had just met that day. And I don't know if it scared Michelangelo, but it was—there was a mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4625.88,4685.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e That was Ghosts of the Barrio. Ghosts of the Barrio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4687.04,4691.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Ghosts of the Barrio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4692.28,4693.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Was the name of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4693.68,4694.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e That was my first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4696.48,4697.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Ramona Gardens. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4699.0,4699.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Ghosts of the Barrio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4700.4,4701.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the one with the guys on the steps, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4703.92,4705.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That was after the free for all mural. The big one, or not the big one, many artists—Ghosts of the Barrio was my mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4707.84,4724.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, okay. So there was one before that that was more collaborative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4725.0,4729.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And that taught me that murals are a team effort because—I had to carry a ladder from the tool shed to the mural site. And it was a chore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4730.0,4760.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, not a solitary endeavor. 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What the subject—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4786.04,4786.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e What the theme was— Of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4786.72,4787.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e what that mural was going to be, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=4787.56,4795.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um—The idea of hanging out was, I guess, the main theme. So these vatos are hanging out there on the front porch of a house and watching the world go by. And they're comfortable in their environment. And being peaceful. It wasn't a gang fight. So it was kind of a reaction to the violence that might be stereotypical. It goes back to when I was working at General Electric. No, not General Electric. Hughes. Someone said—Where are you from, where did you say you live? In East L.A. East L.A., oh, man, that's a scary place. That's a terrible place. I say, You live there? No. I say, You don't know what you're talking about. It's a beautiful place. 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You have to get your point of view right to see this thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5053.92,5062.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Hm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5064.76,5065.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e It grabs you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5066.96,5068.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5069.72,5070.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And when you, like you say, when you drive by it, it's like, Wow, look at that. That's what billboards are, drive-by murals. But they're designed to take in the message in their commercial way. 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There's one particular—and we'll probably have to wrap up shortly, but there's one—I have a couple other questions, and we can wrap up whenever. But one particular mural that I loved learning about, I've never seen it in person, but the Stairway to Global Health that I think you did in '91. It's on these stairs to an overpass in Ramona Gardens if I'm not mistaken. And there's this—from what I kind of read and from what I could see online, there's this connection between human and environmental health, it connects ancient traditions with young student activism. But why I'm thinking of it, to bring it up now, is sort of the way you use the space and the scale where the arc of the Earth, you can only see from one vantage point across the street. 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And just the use of space and scale is so incredible in how you use the medium and the form to convey what I think to be is a fairly beautiful and profound message. So yeah, I don't know if you want to talk about that mural at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5176.76,5198.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you just said it. Stairway to Global Health. I can't even picture it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5198.44,5206.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that the one by the Bravo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5208.36,5210.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5211.0,5212.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e The Bravo—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5214.36,5214.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Magnet School, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5214.8,5215.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the Bravo Magnet School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5215.76,5217.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Bravo. 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The school that Ian goes to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5225.2,5232.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5233.28,5234.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e The Merrill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5235.2,5235.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't picture that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5238.24,5239.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e It's on—the name of the street is—what's the name of that street? Alcazar. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5240.52,5251.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Alcazar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5251.32,5252.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e No. It's—I can't remember the name of the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5252.28,5257.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e That's okay. Don't worry about it. (laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5257.08,5259.195"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you said it. You described it. 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The sixty-five foot long mural on the canvas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5304.28,5310.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the mural that you did for—. Altshule.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5312.32,5315.464"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Hacia","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5315.464,5315.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Al Norte.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5315.68,5316.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And did we come to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5320.0,5321.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we came to that. Do you remember how it started? What got you to get that mural going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5321.84,5333.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e When it was painted—I talked to Altshule.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5337.76,5346.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e He approached you, the father of the young man that you met. The father approached you to draw, make a mural—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5347.44,5360.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5360.08,5360.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Get a mural going on the eating area where his employees—. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5360.84,5366.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5366.84,5367.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e That come back to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5369.56,5370.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Joel Altshule is his name [from Outdoor Products]. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5371.48,5377.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e How did it get to—how did you feel at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5377.84,5380.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it felt good. It was done specifically for the workers that work for Altshule and—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5383.64,5396.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBIBI:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you tell them about the ideas that the employees had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5398.28,5402.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay. I called a meeting to get information from the people that were going to see this mural whenever they came to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5402.52,5414.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was it going to be originally? 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And what would you like to see on this wall?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5459.16,5464.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5464.12,5464.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e And so they came up with a bunch of ideas, and I wrote them down, and they're in the mural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5466.08,5476.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSOKOL:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901#t=5476.76,5477.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2367/collection_resources/167035/file/303901/transcript/91472/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHEALY:\u003c/strong\u003e Not every one. But as the title implies, Hacia Al Norte is towards the north. Almost all their stories were related to crossing the border. Going across the river. Heading north to a job. And they had a dedication for that. When? 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