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My name is Jim Sherman, and I'm a librarian with the Literature \u0026 Fiction Department. Today, I have the honor and the pleasure to be talking with Cecilia Riddle, who has served the Los Angeles Public Library in the City of Los Angeles, as both the Central Library director from 2001 to 2004, and then as the BLS director, or the Branch Library Services director, from 2005 to 2010, which I believe makes her the only director to work in both leagues, to use the baseball metaphor. It's August 13th, 2025, and we are recording at Central Library's Octavia Lab. Cecilia, thank you so very much for your participation in this project. I'm glad you could make it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=26.68,67.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's a pleasure. Pleasure to be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=67.71,69.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. What, what year did you start with LAPL and what positions have you held in the system? And take as long as you want for this. (both laugh) I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=69.75,77.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e can take a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=77.03,77.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=77.99,78.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember the month and day. It was March 13th, 1972, and I had an interview at Fairfax Library with the Senior Librarian and the Library Assistant. And I had another job in retail, which I didn't like very much. And my family had been library people. My mom and her two sisters were Clerk Typists for the library system since before I was born really. So I was always in the library. And anyway, I knew that I wanted to work in the library while I was going to school. So I had an interview and I told them, \"I'm going to go\"—I was still at UCLA as an undergrad-- I said, \"I'm going to go to library school.\" (laughs) So they hired me and I started there. The hugely busy library, Fairfax. And I was constantly going up and down to the circulation desk because we had so many, so much material that we checked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=78.63,137.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And you were a messenger, hired as a Messenger Clerk? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=138.03,139.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was a Messenger Clerk. Right. So I was there for, maybe, maybe less than a year. And then I got promoted to Clerk Typist. And I went to Hollywood Branch. I lived in the Hollywood area, so that was likely a logical place for me. And I was a Clerk Typist. And, I was graduating with my BA, and I was given the opportunity there to change to a position that was a Student Librarian position. They had, Librarian Trainee there already. It was a different funding source, I don't know. But they asked me if I would like to be a Student Librarian for the two years that I was in library school. And so I, of course, jumped at that chance because I was able to work as a librarian, actually, on the reference desk and learn about all of our reference materials. And I worked with a great team of librarians, and I learned a lot, and it made my coursework at library school so much more palatable, shall we say. (laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=139.31,207.935"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And you could integrate what you were learning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=208.02,209.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It was wonderful. And I met Fontayne Holmes then. And I was twenty-one when I started there. And Fontayne was a half time Young Adult librarian with little twin kids at home. Anyway, but we had a great friendship that started back then. So I was there for the two years of library school as the Student Librarian for twenty hours a week. And I was leave there and go to UCLA every day to the library school. Anyway, at the end of that situation, 1976 when I graduated and I was twenty-three when I graduated, I didn't know what I was going to do about a job. And I know that they wanted to keep me in the library system because they had, supported my going, being in that position and going to the library school. and so I was given the opportunity to be a Children's Librarian. And I had studied children. That was my focus in library school. I really wanted public libraries. And I was, I was given the opportunity to be a Children's Librarian at the R.L. Stevenson Branch in, in Boyle Heights area. But it was an emergency position. It wasn't a bona fide, you know, this is your job and you're a civil service Children's Librarian. It was really difficult at that time because they weren't hiring a lot of people, but they wanted to keep me. And so of course I took it. It was, I was living on the West Side at that time when I was going to UCLA. It wasn't, it wasn't bad. It was, it was great. I went to Stevenson Branch and I did children's work, and I was trained by the area—the regional offices had the Regional Librarian and a Regional Children's Librarian in every single region. And so Jose Taylor was the, was the Regional Children's Librarian. He trained me. But I knew a lot about Children's. I'd been doing programs and all kinds of things in libraries before I even became a Children's Librarian. And anyway, I was I did that, and it was a great library to start my career in. It was in a little neighborhood. Hispanic, you know, mainly. And there were so many children. And they needed things to do after school, too. And they needed help, and they just wanted to be around us. And they were so funny and so wonderful. And it was, it was great. We had a lot of schools too, very huge schools that I went to visit. And it was it was a good start to my career. So I was there for a while and then I that was in back in '76 and '77. Then there were, there was an opening for a Children's Librarian at Brentwood and—Brentwood Branch, Western Region. And I was thinking about it and I thought, You know, I think there's such a totally different community I might find—and I was buying lots of books for the kids at Stevenson, but a lot of what they liked reading was Mad Magazine, and they like to check out records and comic books, and I gave the little kids a foundation with storytelling. And, but anyway, I really thought that I could maybe work with a different kind of clientele at Brentwood. And so I applied for that job, and I lived on the Westside, too, and I got it. However—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=209.66,427.435"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was your first full—technically, it was your first full time? That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=429.72,431.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was, that was the first full time Children's. But even then it wasn't. There was—I can't remember what what it was called at that time. But I can tell you this, that I was there for maybe a year, maybe less. The former Children's Librarian there had been on leave for maternity leave or something. Family leave for three years having children. And she wanted to come back to that job. And if, usually, you know, normally, you could come back from a leave like that, but you had to take whatever jobs were, were open and whatever location that happened to be. And so that's why I think that my, my position wasn't really, you know, legitimately a civil service Children's position. I think it was still part of that emergency situation. And because she got her job back, and I had to move again. And I had to move again. So I went. And Jenny Walters was the Regional Manager in Northeast, and she wanted me back. And I went back there and, but I didn't go as a Children's. They had two, they—we had a lot of vacancies in the Northeast region. There was a YA vacancy at El Sereno half time and there was half time one at Stevenson. So I went back and met with her and they on paper hired me as a full time librarian. Well, now they hired me as a half time, but I was supposed to work at both. But I ended up just working at Stevenson half time. So I did a lot of YA work. I did a lot of programming. I worked on a lot of, regional type programs and involved other libraries and actually got commendation for that because people hadn't done as much, I think, with YA up to that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=431.0,540.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. I think the first YA, there was a YA services department, but it wasn't as well organized as it would later come to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=542.11,549.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No it wasn't. And, I was there. I was there as a YA half time librarian. I was getting bilingual pay too, because I was in a Spanish area and I spoke Spanish and could purchase books and so forth. And, I ended up having—because I was half time, I had to work a lot of sub time to make up some of the money. And I went to Central. I came to Central Library a lot. I came, in fact, I worked with Dan Strehl a lot. He was somebody that I met when I was at Fairfax, and—he had actually been in a transfer program of between Central and Branch staff, and he was actually a Central Library employee, but he was working as a Children's Librarian at Fairfax when I started there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=549.55,594.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe you could talk more about that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=594.58,595.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, but I knew— I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=596.66,598.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e didn't know about the transfer program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=598.06,599.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but I came in at the beginning. I was just a Messenger Clerk, so I don't know how that got started. But anyway, he was my friend, and, I was available for substitute work, so I worked with him a lot in Science \u0026 Technology Department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=599.5,615.279"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he was computers, he did a lot with computers, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=617.18,618.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there were no computers then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=618.74,620.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. (laughs) This","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=620.38,621.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was before the fire. Okay. And the patents room was upstairs. A lady named Bertie, I forget her last name. She was in charge of the patents. A lovely, lovely person. But anyway, I got to know the Science \u0026 Technology Department pretty well. And then the Senior position was vacated at Stevenson. And, there had been two Seniors there before me that had worked with. Judy Donovan was there when I first started. And Teresa Manix was there, the, when I was a Young Adult Librarian, and they wanted her moved to Benjamin Franklin. That was bigger and more busier and more had more going on. So, Jenny Walters—I had—she asked me to take the Senior test, so I did. And I don't think I do very well on exams, honestly. But, because I was bilingual, I got the job as Senior, and that was just like three years after I had started working in the library, you know, as a librarian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=621.46,687.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e You were telling me that that in Brentwood, it was kind of a strange thing because you were full time, but still kind of temporary. You went from this kind of strangely, almost like extended probation to becoming, like, a Senior. That's amazing. 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When","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=704.85,705.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I went back as a full time—I mean half time YA, it was actually, you know, on the books as an actual librarian. And, and then I became Senior. So I went up pretty fast, you know, and I—and it was a good, easy starter branch and I knew it, I knew all the roles in it. And, you know, it was, it was very doable. 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I mean, Malabar and Stevenson and Benjamin Franklin are a mile apart, like in a triangle. We were always with each other, sharing things and programs and sharing stuff and sending people over. And, you know, we had we had a lot of that to do. And Jenny Walters was wonderful. She was a wonderful mentor, and she always really cared about the staff because she knew there were so many ups and downs with budgets and things, and people would get nervous over, you know, layoffs and things like that. And, as I did. And so I was, I was at Stevenson for a while and then I, in 1980, well, in 1979 I guess, I applied to UCLA Graduate School of Management to do a management degree, business degree. And that the thought behind that was, I was always concerned to there were lots of budget issues and instability in the staffing, and it was just cyclical. As you can see, throughout the years, there were ups and there were downs, and I knew that was it would just constantly be kind of a threat, you know, and I thought, you know, maybe I should while I was working, prepare myself for a downturn and I could get axed any time. I mean, who knew? And, I thought, I'll just try it and I'll do it. And anyway, after I had decided I wanted to do that, there was an opening at Mar Vista Branch for a Senior. And strangely enough, the Senior that had been there had gone to UCLA to Graduate School of Management to work in their library. And I took that position. So that was in Western Region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=732.49,846.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=846.8,847.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I did end up getting into UCLA Graduate School of Management, pretty easily I think. I mean, I had friends at the library school. I had Andrew Horn, who was the former dean who was wonderful and was one of my favorite people. And anyway, I got, I got, I got into the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=847.88,874.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And what year is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=874.24,874.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was from '80 to '83. And I was working at Mar Vista full time as a Senior Librarian at that time. And also that was during the time of Prop 13, where, again, there was a lot of anxiety over the lack of funds that were going to municipal, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=875.04,896.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e There wasn't a lot of warning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=896.64,897.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No. And there was, you know, I kept getting calls, I just remember, from my area person, which was Penny Carr at the time. And, Okay, we're going to do this with the staff. Okay, we're not. Okay, we're going to cut this position. Okay, we're not. You know, it was really chaotic, I can say. I didn't know what to do. I didn't tell anybody anything until I absolutely had to. And it was—we did end up losing a Clerk Typist and I don't know if we have lost a Messenger Clerk. Everybody lost something in that, in that time period. And, it was devastating. But anyway, I had also my other life at school and on weekends and everything else. And, and two other people from the library were getting their Masters at the same time. Suzanne Johnson and Betty Gay. And we were all there at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=898.04,961.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e In the same school? Graduate School of Management?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=961.31,965.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Management. Now it's the Anderson School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=965.35,967.531"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It was the Anderson then. No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=967.55,967.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e it wasn't Anderson then. And it was in a different location, different building in the, in the school. But yeah. Anyway, that was, I spent all three years at Mar Vista. I had about three years here, three year there, then it was time to move. Anyway, let me look at my my notes here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=967.83,991.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I know this is this is great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=991.1,992.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I can, I can tell you, just as an aside, when I counted up how many different times I moved, I think it was eighteen or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=992.62,1002.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1002.7,1003.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I had nine different positions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1003.3,1006.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1006.98,1007.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e In the library. So anyway. But this is the story. So, I got my library degree, my graduate degree, my Business degree. And, I, my mother had died that year. I was trying to finish my graduate program. My mom died, I bought a house, I graduated school, I met my husband later. (laughs) It was all crazy. And then I ended up leaving the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1007.42,1033.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it '84? Eighty-three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1033.099,1034.457"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I ended up leaving and going and getting, a job at a savings and loan in marketing, the marketing department and, marketing division, and I was a trainee there. But I had, I had just done it as a leave from the library because I thought if I, you know, if I didn't do it that like that, I might be sorry if I didn't like it. And I did love the people, the two individuals I worked with on all of the marketing, materials that we had to do and training. I trained a lot of staff in the banks, bank branch staff. But I, at the end of the day, when my training period was over, they didn't really have a good job to put me into. And honestly, I don't know that they really ever had experimented with training and didn't know what they were going to do. And I just, I just thought, You know? I can make the decision and just go back to the library because honestly, I wasn't interested in the whole profit sector like I thought I would be. And I thought, You know, I would just be so much happier providing public service to people. I just felt it in my heart. I said, I don't care how many more Fritos somebody sells. I just want to do what I can for people that are really in need. And so I looked back into it and I had a meeting with Joyce Elliot because there was a job that came up at, it was called Vanowen Park Library then, but it's since called Valley Plaza. And I met with Joyce Elliot, who was the Area Manager of, this was, East Valley. So I'm at another place now. Okay. Another region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1035.619,1149.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1149.37,1149.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I worked in five out of six regions. Okay. And she said, she couldn't help herself, \"Why do you want to come back?\" And I told her the same thing I just told you, and she said, \"Okay, all right, you got it.\" (laughs) You know? And I said, \"Okay.\" So I was there for another three years. During that time, the library fire broke out. Okay. So that was a whole other story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1150.49,1178.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And we can get into that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1179.77,1180.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we can get into that later. So I was there, and then after three years—and so I had been a Senior in different communities, but always in a branch. Which was good because it did, give me a chance to work on new things and with new people and different communities and different, you know, other outreach projects and things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1180.85,1202.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And presumably you have more autonomy in some degree, like because it is like, you're kind of in that one neighborhood, you can do a lot more things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1203.01,1210.13"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And it was, it was great. I didn't dislike any of my jobs. I liked them all. I liked all of them. But, you know, at some point I would get to the point where I would be like, Oh, I think I need something new to, I don't know, pump me up or something. And anyway, there was a job in Adult, the Adult book collection, office with Jennifer Lambelet, was the Principal Librarian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1210.21,1235.472"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And Fontayne worked there at some point, too. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1237.16,1238.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she worked in ILL. And she did, but she—I don't know which Fontayne did with Jennifer. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1238.88,1244.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1244.92,1245.274"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e But Jennifer had a Senior Librarian that worked with her that had, passed on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1245.28,1251.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it sort of like Acquisitions would be now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1251.36,1253.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Well, it's not Acquisitions, the actual part where you get the books. It's the, it's the ordering and looking through materials that the publishers were sending and deciding what was going to be on the order list.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1254.0,1264.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e I have no idea how you did that before computers. It must have been a lot of— Paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1264.4,1268.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of—like Romaine Ahlstrom too—it's like there's so many catalogs. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1268.2,1272.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e many catalogs. So many catalogs. Yeah, that's what we did. And we—anyway, I thought, Oh my gosh, I always wanted to have that job, and I can work behind the scenes and I can, I can get those books on the order sheet. And that's a different aspect. And I know this side of it, but I don't know that side of it. And so I interviewed and I got that job and we were in the ARCO Towers at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1272.8,1302.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, right. Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1302.2,1302.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And we were on a floor up there. And it was, a lot of the administrative staff was up there in the, you know, Adult Services. And, I, I was living—my husband and I and my little two year old were living in North Hollywood with my dad because I had sold,we had sold the house that we were in because we were planning to move, and we ended up not moving. So we were with my dad for six months. And during that time, the Whittier Narrows earthquake happened. I mean, we've been through a series of disasters in this library system, let me tell you. 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And, truthfully, you know, I thought the work was okay, but the environment was very sterile. There were no books around, obviously. And you, you can't imagine, you just can't imagine how strange that feels. And here I was trying to select things from sheets and papers and, you know, catalogs. 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And she was off doing a lot of things. I did a lot. We did a lot of work together. And we would have the book committees and this and that over at Anderson Street. We would meet with them. But anyway, my husband at that time, when we were in North Hollywood living there, he was, he had a job in Santa Barbara, and he was driving ninety miles, or at least—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1398.47,1426.477"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e One hundred and ten? At","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1426.71,1427.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e least ninety minute drive one way every day. And he did that for months. And, and I was, I was just coming from North Hollywood just to Downtown LA, and I was, I was fine, and he was having a hard time. He never complained about it, but it was difficult. It was very difficult on him. And I had a nanny and she was with the baby all the time. And my dad was there at the house. But anyway, I knew that something was going to have to happen. I wasn't, I didn't really know what was going to, what was going to come up. But all of a sudden, one of the librarians, the one from Chatsworth, moved from Chatsworth. And she'd been at Chatsworth a really long time as a Senior Librarian. Eunice Kent. And she moved from Chatsworth. And I went, Oh my gosh, Chatsworth is like the closest place to where I need to move. And maybe we should, I should go there, and then we could sort of be halfway between Chatsworth and Santa Barbara, which is better than North Hollywood. And so, and so regrettably— or regretfully, I should say—I did leave Adult Services to go to Chatsworth because of my family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1427.35,1509.281"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, yeah. That must have made a huge difference for him. So that's, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1509.58,1513.385"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It was. And we bought a house where we, you know, in Moorpark, which was why I've been there for so long. Because I've worked in the city and lived in the city. Grew up in the city, born in the city, my whole life. And it was just really nice to get out to the farms. (laughs) Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1513.61,1532.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e it's pretty out there. It looks like Tuscany or something. Those mountains. Yeah, I like it there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1532.85,1538.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e So I did go. I was at Chatsworth, for several years. Three, another three years. I worked a lot with Fontayne. Carmen Martinez was the Director at the time. She worked for—Elizabeth Martinez was the City Librarian. She and Carmen had worked together at Orange County system, and Carmen was, got into the Director's position and Fontayne was the Assistant Director for Branch Library Services. And I, I worked a lot with them, even out in the field, because they always needed somebody that could do the schedules and could do, you know, like reiterate iterations of them for changes in hours and potentially Sundays or potentially all day Saturday. And they would have me do all this scheduling and trying to figure out the best way for some of these little smaller libraries and larger libraries to work their staff. Or could we do it? You know, is this possible? What could we do? We did a lot of, I did a lot of that. And I also worked on budgets for them with spreadsheets and stuff, because we didn't have anything up here that was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1538.69,1607.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And plus you had the expertise, I'm sure. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1607.21,1608.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e and I did at the time. So I, I helped with that a lot. So I was always kind of close with them. And anyway, so I was at Chatsworth and Fontayne had told me, \"You really need to take the Principal exam.\" And before, before Carmen was in that position, Marilyn Tamura Johnson was the Director, and she had called me in one time in her office, too, and she said, \"I hope you're planning to take the Principal exam.\" And she said, \"I think you would make a good Principal Librarian.\" And I said, \"Oh, thank you.\" You know, I appreciated her confidence in me. And Fontayne, same thing. She was always telling me, \"Get, take it. We need you. Take it. We need you.\" And so I took it. And, so about 1999, I was still at Chatsworth, and I loved Chatsworth community. They were so, so wonderful. I mean, not that all the others weren't, but these people were so dedicated to the library, these Friends of the Library, these residents of Chatsworth. It was just like out there by itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1609.01,1676.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they waited a long time to get that library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1676.8,1678.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So, it was great. And I took the Principal exam and, and I passed it and they offered me Business Department, Business \u0026 Economics. And, because of my background, I think after after being in the business school, and it may have been the only thing open at the time also. But I was just, I was in tears about having to leave Chatsworth, and I just, my staff said, You need to go. You need to do this, you know. And you think about your future. And I said, \"Yeah, I guess, I guess I should.\" And I went to Business Department, which was at the time not in the Central Library, because this was after the fire and it was still being worked on. And, we were at Spring Street, in that building on Spring Street, which was okay. Not, not bad. I mean, it wasn't a great area, but the building was fine and the collection fit and everything was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1679.24,1744.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e What floor was this on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1744.75,1746.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was on one of the upper floors. Like maybe the second or third. I don't know how many—I think it was, was it four stories? I don't remember. I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1746.83,1754.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And there was a restaurant on the top, which I'm trying to remember. There","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1754.91,1757.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1757.59,1757.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1758.11,1758.464"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember that. I know we had to go out onto Spring Street and Broadway to find places to eat when we worked at night. And we were working, I was working until nine o'clock at night. Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1758.59,1765.584"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, there was nothing at night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1765.584,1766.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we worked, I worked until nine o'clock at night. But anyway, I went to Business and Pat Kiefer had been in charge because Juliana Chang had been the Principal Librarian, and she had left to go somewhere. I don't remember if she left the library at that point or not, because then she came back. But, I got the job instead of Pat. And Pat had wonderful experience in Business \u0026 Economics. She had come from the branches, too, but she'd been there longer than I had and knew a lot, and I felt a little bit odd going in there and being her boss, you know? That was a strange feeling to me. But I dealt with it. (laughs) And she and I were good friends, and she taught me a lot about some of the things that you would be expected to do at Central. You know, all the binding, all the serials, all of that stuff. And I worked there with a great staff. The Business, and I can't say this enough about all of the Central Library staff, such pros and, you know, really wonderful. And, but that place was crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1766.51,1833.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1834.47,1834.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And really, I can tell you, I was out on the reference desk a lot. And the Principal Librarians didn't usually go on the reference desk, but I did, I did, and I had to learn everything. And I went on there and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1834.87,1852.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And, of course, as a regular reference librarian, I've always been terrified of Business because it's a completely separate, with all the Morningstar and all the, all the—I mean, it would probably be easier for you because of your— Serials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1853.47,1863.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e —your MBA, but I, when I've worked in it, it's like I'm out to sea. It's, it's very, it's very specialized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1863.94,1870.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e The learning curve was like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1870.98,1873.374"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah even for you with an MBA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1873.58,1875.738"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e —huge. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1875.94,1876.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1876.47,1876.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Huge. Because I didn't work with a lot of business materials in school. I worked on management, and that was management of people, management of resources, management of all of that. And yes, so, you know, I had, I had certain things that I did have to go to, but— And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1876.82,1891.266"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e looking back. Business, and Business was always—not, it's not the same now—was always a center of what would the downtown community use. It was much more significant in terms of circulation, in terms of people using it. And so it was like, it was extremely professional because you were basically the internet, what the internet is now for all these businesses. That's what people were coming to do. I don't think people realize that. I mean, I had to learn that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1891.7,1919.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we're in the middle of the business and finance section of downtown. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1922.534,1924.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And, anyway, I just remember being on the desk one time with Pat and with Yvonne Johnson, who was our library assistant, who was also very, very good at doing reference. And with all of these clerks running around, because it was a big area and you couldn't as a librarian, leave the desk and go find something, you know. And we, Dan Strehl, again. Okay. This, this guy was amazing. He, we didn't have real computers. We had dumb terminals. And he had, he had at Business, created a thing called an InMagic database. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1924.58,1961.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e We still use them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1961.22,1962.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you? Well, it had everything. Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1962.46,1963.308"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e we're about to migrate, but yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1963.308,1963.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it had everything. It was, yeah. It was, it just had whatever you—for me, it was a godsend because I could find what it was. And the funny thing was that he told me, he said, \"Well, in the back in the reference collection behind us at the reference desk was not shelved in Dewey order. It was shelved with the most used books in the middle and the least used books on the edges.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1963.4,1988.791"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Fair enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1988.89,1989.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said, \"Oh, that makes total sense.\" Now that I've been on it. And I, as I was saying, Pat and Yvonne and I were on there one day and all the phone lines were lit up, just blinking, blinking, blinking. You couldn't go. And she goes. I looked at her and she said, \"Sometimes you just have to turn your back on it and take a deep breath and then turn around.\" And so, you know, I mean, and honestly, I never regretted doing that. I just thought, this is such a huge education for me. It's really filling in a part of what this library system does that I have not been privy to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=1989.53,2022.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's really the most specialized reference there was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2022.69,2024.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And the people that were there were just the legendary, you know. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2024.53,2027.576"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e also your patrons know so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2027.69,2029.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. (laughs) A","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2030.21,2030.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e lot of times they—I know certainly when I worked there—they knew more than I did. Or whenever I've subbed, subbed there. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2030.53,2036.514"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was a real experience for me. And a really good one. However, moving on (both laugh). The East Valley area office, East Valley regional office, we used to be called regional libraries now and then there were regional areas and now there are areas. Anyway, Joyce Elliott was a mentor to me too, when I was in that East Valley area. She decided to retire, she said, she said, \"Forty years of being a librarian is enough. I think I'm going to retire.\" And the seat was vacant. And I remember talking to Fontayne, and I remember talking to Nina Wilson, I think, who was the Principal in West Valley. And I asked, you know, I had planned to be in Business for a couple of years at least, maybe more. But this came up at a time that, you know, these openings did not happen frequently at all. Ever. People were there until, I don't know, they were in their seventies. And I said, \"What do you think?\"And Fontayne said—of course she wanted me back in the branches—she said, of course, \"I think you need to take it.\" (laughs) I said, \"Oh, I feel so bad because I'm letting down.\" And I worked for Joan Bartel and Betty Gay in Business, and Joan was so wonderful. I just, she was terrific. And Betty and I were in school together, you know. So, it was, it was good. It was, it was a good relationship. But it was so hard for me to make that decision to—I felt like, you know, I should just stick with this. But these opportunities didn't always come up. And so I went. I went to East Valley. My first day at East Valley— And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2037.04,2150.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e just about what year is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2150.27,2151.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e That was in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2151.71,2153.076"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Because the Central Library hadn't opened by that time. Reopened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2156.35,2159.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Hold on a minute. I have it. I wrote this down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2159.59,2164.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry to, but it's always helpful for us later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2165.07,2166.47"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I was there in, March of '91.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2166.79,2174.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2176.19,2176.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Right after the Rodney King situation. And my first day on the office, Fontayne was calling me, \"Do you have to close branches because of potential riot and activities?\" Because branches were getting burned in the, in the southern region. Two branches were were set on fire, I think. And I, we had Pacoima, we had Panorama City, that were two of the closer branches to that area, which now has like— Lake","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2177.11,2203.195"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e View Terrace didn't have a branch then. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2203.195,2203.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e didn't exist then. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2203.96,2205.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But that's where the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2205.95,2206.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e That corner was where it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2206.95,2208.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2208.87,2209.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was my call for the first day there. And I had checked with my supervisors and all those branches, and I, and I got back to her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2209.39,2218.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Never a dull moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2218.47,2219.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Never a dull moment, honestly. I mean, what? And when I talk to Fontayne now, she says, \"No more disasters. We don't want any more disasters.\" (Jim laughs) Like, yeah, I can't help that. Anyway, so I was there for, for four years, I think. And, and, supervising, I think we had ten libraries in the East Valley. Oh, maybe eleven. I think we had eleven. And, I ended up—we had the earthquake happen in '94 when I was there. And so when we could go out—Security had checked everything the day of the earthquake—but the next day I went out to look at North Hollywood, where my office was, and there was structural damage at the library, so nobody could be in there working. People wanted to go back into work, and we had to get them all out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2220.63,2281.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's Amelia Earhart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2281.26,2282.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. And, anyway, I had to move my office and stuff, my secretary, to the only branch in the Valley that wasn't that hard hit, which was Studio City. I mean, they got put back together a little bit faster than the rest of them, and it was small. So small, like one of those little small bond branch libraries at the time. You know, you've heard about those. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2282.58,2310.425"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e fifty-nine. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2310.425,2311.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e it was about five, maybe less than five thousand square feet in there. And I had to take over an office in there and—and I moved to different libraries during that course of the restoration of North Hollywood, because it took a really, really long time. And I was over at Van Nuys for a while. And anyway, I ended up, I had to go over to West Valley because I think Nina Wilson retired, and I think Fontayne wanted me to go to West Valley. And I ended up at that point—that was in '96 or '95. I at that point was really managing all the libraries in the Valley, East and West Valley, for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2311.34,2354.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Because she had retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2354.14,2355.175"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And so I just was doing them all and—which was fine, because I knew everybody everywhere. Okay. I knew them all, everywhere. And I'll go back to, let me tell you about the the earthquake situation later. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2355.9,2368.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's not forget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2368.7,2369.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e But, in '96, when all the branches were starting to, branch projects were starting to open, the Mid Valley Branch opened. And I was the, I was the area person. Yeah, that was where—but that became part of the West Valley, actually. It wasn't like Mid Valley wasn't the head of the whole Valley, even though it was used by residents of the entire valley. But, yeah, I was there and I was there until —","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2369.54,2407.749"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But your title is still East even though you're technically—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2411.81,2414.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I was still a Principal Librarian. Yeah. P1. Technically","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2415.05,2418.766"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e for East Valley, but you're doing both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2419.25,2420.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I was doing both. So almost twenty, like seventeen branches or something, and I was busy. I would go to the dentist and feel like, \"Oh\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2420.77,2428.804"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e \"I can relax.\" \"I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2428.93,2429.53"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e can relax.\" I'm not kidding. I was this wreck. I was always driving to different libraries and having to put up, you know, counsel or advise or talk, do personnel things, or assist with, you know, there's a myriad of things belonging to that job. And Mid Valley by itself was huge because we had the bookmobile. I was helping design bookmobile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2429.53,2452.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh Van Nuys, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2452.81,2453.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Not Van Nuys—well, Van Nuys too, but Mid Valley had its own bookmobile—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2453.29,2457.486"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Of right, of course. —area,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2457.65,2458.137"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e built into the building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2459.21,2460.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2460.49,2460.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And, and it was huge. And it was, when it opened, it was massively busy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2460.93,2465.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And also you were involved at that point, because of all the planning for the bond measures to start building or renovating branches. So you're involved in all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2465.97,2474.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I was, yeah. I—that was already, had been going on already, that had already been going on. And I think Pat was more involved with at that point. She was Central, Pat Kiefer was the (acting) Central Library director during that time when a lot of the moving and all of that kind of stuff, and she had to figure out a way like strategic, you know, and logistically how to get that done, but I was doing the Valley and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2474.25,2503.067"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, what I meant is you're getting ready to do the the bond measures, right? That, that that--Fontayne's involved with, with all the branches that start being built in the late, in the late nineties, but maybe it's too early at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2503.44,2516.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember what the year was that they that they got the funds for that. I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2516.28,2522.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But I don't mean to interrupt you. Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2522.32,2524.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, anyway, I was at Mid Valley until 1999 when Fontayne went to be, she became the Central Library director. And, there were there were two vacancies. Carmen Martinez had a vacancy for, an assistant. And Fontayne at CLS [Central Library Services] had a vacancy for an assistant, for a Principal, too. And Leslie Nordby and I were both on the list, so we we each got a position there. And so I started working in 1999 at Central Library, and I was doing a quite a bit of training, customer service kind of trainings and things like that. I was getting to know the building. I was getting to know the reference desks. I was getting to know—I knew a lot of the staff, but I was getting to know more of them, and a lot of the clerical people. So I spent a lot of time managing Central Library, because Fontayne was also busy doing the branch project, the bond project and the facilities project. And she was, she was so busy and I really had to do a lot there. And when she was finally, given that as her sole job and she became the head director of facilities, then I became the actual director of Central. And that's when I had Anne (Connor), I wanted Anne to be to be my assistant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2524.16,2621.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And was she at West LA at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2622.27,2624.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she was at, she was head of Children's Services. And so she was in the building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2624.87,2629.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So, she was in the building, right. She","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2629.43,2630.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was in the building. And I just went over and I said, \"You know, if you want to, you think you should apply for it? I think you should apply for it.\" That's all I said. I didn't know who else was going to apply for it. and I don't even remember now if anybody but Anne applied for it. But, anyway, so I was there and I spent, you know, five years getting through all of the automation, and all of the order sheet automation, a lot was happening all at that time. And, and then Pat was promoted again from, from Branch Library Services director to, the Assistant City Librarian. And I moved over there. I think Fontayne thought, and they thought, I should move over there. And I did, I wanted to. So I went to Branch Library Services at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2630.07,2679.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Because Pat had been BLS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2679.14,2680.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e There had been a vacancy. There was a vacancy there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2680.94,2682.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, got you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2682.86,2683.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e So I went there, and that was it. That was the end of my moving, eighteen times. (laughter) Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2683.38,2692.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So that's 2005. And you're there until until 2010.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2692.14,2695.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e To 2010. And I could have been there longer if we hadn't had near bankruptcy of the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2696.26,2700.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2700.98,2702.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It was, it was a wild ride. But you know what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2702.42,2705.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But you got to be part of all of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2705.9,2707.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I really did. I was part of different things at different times. And when I was listening to some of these other staff members, former staff members, recalling, memories and things that I, you know, it's like \"The Blind Men and the Elephant\". I mean, everyone was in their own space and different places and different times and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2707.82,2726.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It must be interesting. You hear that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2726.98,2727.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I was hearing things that I didn't know they were doing here or hearing things, they were probably hearing things that, you know, was happening out where I was. And we didn't all have a whole great example of what was happening everywhere all at once. And how could you, you know, how could you? So it was quite interesting to see things from different people's perspective, honestly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2727.82,2749.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And I'm sure you'll be providing that to others when they listen to this. And it's great. Thank you so much for taking the time to to tell me all that, because it actually answers a bunch of questions that are coming up. So it's like, your path to librarianship in general. You've, we've covered that. And you did talk about the hiring process. So those, yours, and yours is much different because of that, those positions that don't have anymore like, you know, the kind of Student Librarian and the that kind of the way the temporary stuff worked. So there was always you were the system kind of worked for you and that, you know, it's meant to support people that are good at what they do. And it sounds like people really recognized that. Your supervisors recognized that. So that's great. And so we have this crazy—and then after all that-- and we also talk about what staff members had a great a big impact on your career at LAPL. And you mentioned so many great, like a number of different people who are, who come up over and over again as you're reading about the histories. And I don't know if you want to add any more, but certainly you've mentioned many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2750.62,2815.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I've learned from so many different people. Certainly all the people that were were my supervisors when I was a Senior Librarian and who, who, who did who did a lot of training and who just—my colleagues, you know, and every meetings we learned so much about each other. I mean, yeah, there were a lot of people. Fontayne is probably my top person because she and I were from the very beginning. Yeah, we've been friends and we've continued to be to be very close. And I don't, I don't know, I can't complain, I just have a charmed life. I had this charmed life in the library. People wanted me around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2816.05,2853.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you also worked for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2853.93,2855.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2855.25,2856.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It is, it is a great, great—you really had a lot of great positions. You worked with a lot of great people. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2856.69,2861.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e did, and I really worked. I didn't go to just sit around. I wanted to know everything. I wanted to learn. That was why I did it. I wanted to learn more. And being in a job like this, you know, it's all about education and learning and growing and just not stagnating, you know, and not just sitting there and twiddling your thumbs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2861.21,2883.191"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It turns out like curiosity and enthusiasm is such an important thing. And I've always thought about that. As a librarian, you can always be learning, right? And you did it in many ways, not just with the actual subjects, but the, you know, learning how to run an organization from all different sides. Let's see. So this is a general question that I've kind of been, the general question is, during your time with LAPL, in what ways did it change? (Cecilia laughs) And there's so many, I know there's almost too much to say. And how did it stay the same? That would be more, that's probably easier. But do you want to, do you feel like that's a fair question or is it something that you want to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2883.37,2925.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It's fine. I think that the, I think that the one thing, the way it has stayed the same is that the love of the library, that the staff, this hard working staff in the, in the library, I mean, roll up your sleeves and do what's required. And people don't—they're here because they really want to be here. And that hasn't changed. I don't think that that's changed. It's, there's, you know, I've heard people say \"It's a mission.\" Of course, in business school you have to put you know, that's a big thing. What is the mission? And it is to serve the three and a half, or four million residents of the city and 400 plus square miles. That's huge. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2925.52,2966.069"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e often one at a time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2966.069,2967.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And just, it's overwhelming if you think of it that way. But you know what? This is why these branch libraries are so, so important. Because that's the only connection a lot of times to other people and to resources and to, you know, just getting a leg up on whatever it is that they need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2967.11,2984.71"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I find it remarkable to talk about these, you know, when you move to these different branches, whether it was Stevenson or, when you talked about Chatsworth, you are part of a community. And it's not just the community of people you work with, but you're part of a larger community. You see how important the library is in that, in that area and how much people love it. And that is a hard thing to leave because it's such a great feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=2984.75,3005.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3005.95,3006.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And also the way you talked about public service, that has remained the same, certainly. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3006.39,3009.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e mean, you know, it's strange, but I did think I would have a different experience at Brentwood because I could buy all these children's novels and have a great collection and focus on this, you know. And, the community in Brentwood was sophisticated and they had money. And when I went back to Stevenson, I went, \"These people really appreciate library service. And these kids need role models. They need mentors.\" We, they need, their parents were working people. They weren't home. The kids were—we had so many children in there that needed. And I think they got a lot of that from my colleagues that I worked with there and in, in all over the, the Northeast. And, and really, I'm not saying that Brentwood wasn't a great library because all of them are. They all have their niche and, you know, in these areas and they're providing what the people of those communities want. In Chatsworth, we would buy horse books because it's a horsey community, you know? I mean, there's Sunland-Tujunga, same thing there. Each—and down at the harbor, you know, they're buying things on marine life, marine, things like that. You know, everything was was tailored to your, your, constituents. And it just it was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3009.91,3089.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And it reflects those communities. And the great thing about, you know, it really is a way of seeing different, all the different parts of Los Angeles. It kind of adds up as like a, it's like a mosaic, right? It all adds up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3089.14,3099.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Right? And so just so many, so many wonderful people working for the library and volunteering and helping and wanting to do more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3099.46,3106.694"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3107.38,3107.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3108.22,3108.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So maybe another way of asking is, what ways have the modes of, have you seen the modes of public service change over that period of time you've worked at the library?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3108.9,3117.095"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Modes of public service or just delivery of public service, maybe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3117.1,3121.063"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean— We","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3121.18,3121.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e started—well, I don't know that there's a change that much except for the, of course, the whole revolution with the internet. And that was a joy. Because I used to sit at the reference desk at Chatsworth and I had a million questions from kids as the junior high schoolers down the street, and they all come streaming in. And they would call on the phone and, you know, \"What's the gestation period of an African elephant?\" And I would get that same question and be like, \"If I had a computer on this desk, I could just, and I could just look up something that would be so great.\" And, getting to that point was a such a struggle in the library because the building age, the age of the buildings. And like Robyn was saying, they were on concrete slabs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3121.86,3170.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You couldn't wire them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3170.9,3172.014"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we had them, you know, installed, to the credit of the ITC people who were so wonderful and figured it out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3172.9,3184.028"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's Steve Newcomer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3184.94,3185.949"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Steve. And it just, it's just having that, you know, but it was, it was, it was like a train kind of slowly grinding to start. You know, starting was so slow and now things are so, so, so fast. But yeah, we didn't have any of that. So we just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3186.02,3206.444"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a lot of those systems weren't fully developed anywhere. So you're kind of just going along like everyone. I always remember like, there was the CD era, you know, and that it's interesting to look back on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3206.73,3217.89"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So that changed a lot. I mean, it really did. But I wasn't a reference librarian at that time. I was a manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3218.49,3226.85"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Fair enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3227.01,3227.65"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't work on a reference desk regularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3227.69,3231.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Fair enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3231.13,3231.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3231.81,3232.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But although, we should probably-- that's probably a good time to, to ask: we have the question about who, did you have a favorite patron interaction that you can recall for us? Speaking of when you were a reference librarian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3232.45,3244.97"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was a reference librarian at Mar Vista, and I had a gentleman and his wife that would come—elderly, not ultra elderly—but anyway, a couple that would come in regularly. And he was a screenwriter. Yeah. And his wife was an Olympian, a former Olympian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3245.77,3265.41"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3265.45,3265.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And he told me that after some time of knowing him, and he would always come to talk to me. People would always come over and talk to me. A librarian sitting, you know, just, just to chat. And he was one of them. He was one of my favorite patrons at the, he was just such a lovely person. And when he told me about his wife, who had been actually, her name was Jean Shiley at the time, but she was in, I don't know what Olympics it was. I don't know, '32 or something. 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That was the race that she had been in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3296.17,3302.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3302.25,3302.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e She had been. And I knew who that was. I said, \"Oh, my gosh, you're telling me now?\" (laughs). They were just a really lovely, lovely couple, but there were just so many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3302.85,3311.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course. Yeah. Yeah, so that's great. And, and now there's a bunch of, we have these questions about being, you know, you were employed at the library at the time of the fire. And you were, you said you were at the branches at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3311.24,3325.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I was. I was at Valley Plaza.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3325.4,3327.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. What do you remember about the course of that traumatic day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3327.48,3330.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I remember this. I was at, I was in the workroom at my desk, and the phone rang, and I picked up the phone and it was Joyce Elliott, my supervisor from the area office, saying \"The Central Library is on fire!\" And then she hung up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3332.0,3346.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3347.04,3347.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I just went, \"What?\" And, you know, we didn't have phones to look up anything. We had to turn on a radio, to turn it on and find out what was going on. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3347.72,3355.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e she literally has a phone tree. She has to call all these people. She","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3356.08,3357.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e had to call eleven branches. And, so she made it quick. And, I said, Oh my gosh. And we were all talking about it and our staff and I just—truthfully, I was surprised, but I wasn't surprised because, you know, we knew the status of it for so many years. It was just a fire waiting to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3357.96,3380.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Fire trap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3380.44,3380.994"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was terrible. But they, I said, \"Well, you know, I don't know what the next step is.\" We were still open and working, so we had to keep working at our library and normal hours and everything else, and just try to find out what was going, what was going to be necessary. So by the next day, all the branch staff was asked to go, after working, to go downtown to the Central Library to move the wet books. And so we did that. We all went, and my husband came with me. I mean, people brought their families and everything else, and we all went. And from the whole city, people were there. And everyone had different jobs. They were wearing hard hats. There were trucks flying around with books and wet books. And, I was, remember standing next to a couple of guys who were just—everyone was, you know, just really working hard—and they weren't library staff. They were members of the public. And they said, \"We just love our library. And we just we have to do this.\" And there were so many of them, so many. It just made me want to cry, to know what these people came to do this, you know, because they love their library. And we just felt like, \"What could we do? What more can we do?\" You know, we just did, did what we could. It was, it was a time dependent, you know. I mean, we had to get those books into this, this, it was a, it was a shrimp cooler or something. They had housed shrimp. I guess it was, I don't know. Anyway, it had to go there to a warehouse. Cold","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3381.12,3478.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e storage warehouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3478.17,3480.03"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Cold storage. Yeah, it had to go there, and we got them there. After that, I had to go back to my usual work from then on. I mean, really wasn't involved with the rest of what happened with the staff from the Central Library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3481.15,3497.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Although it's really this, people don't talk a lot about how the branches really carried the system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3497.9,3503.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we really had to because there wasn't any choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3503.22,3505.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e How did they do book—if book delivery was run as it is now—How did they? How was the, I mean, the delivery must have been disrupted so that like if you, you know, in terms of moving books, delivering books from branch to branch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3505.98,3517.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think we had a disruption in that from the branches. I don't know where the trucks came out of. They must have come from somewhere else and had a central place. 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And then, I know you were, and you'd already discussed with the excellent description before about how you were in the ARCO Towers working with Jennifer. And then you were, so you were around that, with the administration at that time. And of course, then you ended up going to, you know, Spring Street. But it was, were you involved in any the fundraising efforts or Save the Books or anything like that? Okay. And then, but that's that you've, you've already kind of talked about all the other questions regarding that. So thank you. And you weren't involved really in the, the reopening because you were at that point, you would have been back at, you would have been at Chatsworth, I think. Right? 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Well, let's talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3646.57,3648.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I was at Chatsworth, I believe I was at Chatsworth. Because I was a supervisor out in the field and they asked me to be on the committee, the opening committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3648.09,3662.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3662.77,3663.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e So I did come down to Central for meetings with Joan Bartel, Elizabeth Higby, all the, Joanna Johnson, everybody, Al Clark. 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Or you were kind of from— I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3684.85,3687.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e think I was the only one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3687.33,3688.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting. 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(laughs) And, and I did, I did work on that. And we prepared for the opening, and we had positions where we needed to be, to shepherd people that were wanting to see the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3695.85,3715.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wish there was a, like, email trails about that era because it's hard to find. 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No, I know, but it's like, yeah...it's because --it's intriguing because that had never really been done before. And yeah. So, getting back to what we were talking about, some of the changes, though. What was the biggest differences between the pre- and post-OPAC [Online Public Access Catalog] eras? So before you had an online, you were talking, you've already mentioned a little bit like, you know, the finding out the questions from the teenagers about, you know, what it was like doing ready reference in that regard. 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We did not. And when we didn't have something and we called our regional branch, let's say when—this was when I was a Senior—we would call the regional branch and maybe they could help us some of the time. A lot of time they could. And then we had another step beyond that, which was to call the subject departments. And, but we didn't know really. We just, we just had to call around. We didn't know exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3790.52,3813.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So labor intensive. 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We were very appreciative for having those. And that led to more and better things. And then the bond, you know, the facilities when all the new libraries were built, of course, you know, it was amazing because we had everything we needed. 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You know, that's why it took so long. It took, I think it took a year for us to open that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3878.67,3884.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Because they really. Yeah. That's a lot of work. That's great. We've already talked about -- you've talked about ways in which your MBA, your education in that regard was helpful for you. 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I think people moved around, people, you know, we're family like. And between Central and branches, there was just that calling most of the time. And we would visit occasionally. Well, we'd visit once a month to go to the order meeting. We'd maybe stop into a subject department. But the people at Central were just, I don't know, they had their own style and their own way of being together or not being together or just being caring about their own space or—I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3941.27,3983.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It could change from department to department even.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3983.14,3985.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it can. Some are wonderful and open and have open arms, and others were just kind of, I don't know. I know we have a great library and I, I mean, we have a world class library and they created that and they helped create that, really this building, this library through all of their hard work and all the collections. But we all were members of this library system, and I really felt like there should be more interaction and more respect both ways, you know? I mean—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=3985.54,4018.644"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there any way you could that, any ideas you had for, to address that? Maybe even ways they could address now because, as you probably know, this is still a tension between the two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4018.85,4032.13"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I just, I don't, you know, I'm sorry to hear that there is. 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And so we could mingle and see each other and have fun. And it was just really more collegial. It was it was a good way to break down barriers. And it wasn't quite—having the, this addition—of course we need it for all the materials that we had, basically, but we couldn't house them all in that other library. But they were, became domains, you know, like separate domains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4048.97,4085.61"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's super interesting. Yeah. Because the way that it was in the old building, everyone was on top of each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4085.69,4089.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4090.93,4091.076"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e that's right. That's a good point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4091.076,4092.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you know, I mean, of course we had friends and everyone had friends in different places. I mean, I had a lot of friends in Central Library too, and people that I saw. But, I just think that they didn't want to have a lot of change in anything. And when I came from business school and I went to Central Library Services, I thought, \"Well, let's look at how this is being done.\" And, and I went and sat on reference desks in every library, every department, just to see what they did. I would answer questions. I would look at sources. I would, I could tell in patents, the Science \u0026 Tech, a lot of it was patents because they didn't know how to do any of that. And just, you know, different things like that. I wanted to know, what were we really getting for, you know, from the public as far as requests and needs? And how were our staff doing that? And I just looked at resources. I looked at, objectives of trying to, you know, make resources available to everybody, trying to make them aware of everything, outreach things. We had outreach programs and children's services, YA services did a lot to promote that and to promote integration between a lot of our, the residents of the city and our staff, too, because they all came down here, we all participated. We all brought families and, you know, so there were some opportunities. We tried at one time—Fontayne could tell you about this. But she tried to get everyone from the departments here to have lunch together once a month, out on the balcony, on the patio, out in the front on Fifth Street. You know that, I forget what it's called. The really pretty one right outside the Mark Taper. 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Or they would come and get some food and take it back to their desk or something. (laughs) It was just not the same. I mean, the space didn't help, you know, you're in a small space, you're together. You have a huge space and you can be off by yourself. 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But I really thought it was going to be so hard to change the culture of the library and to have them be more open to suggestions of things that we could do. I even had just a really hard time just even trying to manage the budget, and have them manage their budgets. I mean, most of them were great. There was one or two, one particularly, that could not manage the budget. I had a hard time with that one. And I didn't want to have to do that, but we had limits. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4225.84,4264.557"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e true of people. Was there a situation where people are like, \"Well, she understands finance or whatever, because she was an MBA\" and you had to pull more weight than you would have normally in that situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4265.55,4274.07"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I didn't, I didn't really ever use that as an excuse to do anything. I just knew— No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4274.11,4278.596"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't mean you. I mean other people maybe have imposed on you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4278.87,4282.15"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they were just used to doing what they wanted to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4282.31,4285.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Fair enough. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4285.27,4286.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I had people who were, who were, only really, there was only one person who used to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4286.75,4291.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a pretty good statistic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4291.91,4292.99"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e The rest were great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4293.03,4293.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4293.99,4294.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e were very cooperative. And I enjoyed being with them and talking with them and trying to help them figure out what could we do to meet this budget requirement. Because things had had actually shifted a bit, you know, from Central getting the bulk of the materials budget, to a little bit more to the branches because—and we all, we had a lot of new branches that we really had money, got money for that, which was very helpful. 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(laughs) —like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4387.626,4388.134"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e a knowledge thing. But also, it sounds like, in the way that you described it, is that you were more that the branches were maybe more public service oriented and at least maybe in a more direct way, or--? 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But I—and we respected them—but I think that I didn't feel for a long time like it was ever, you know, the same going out from—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4398.82,4435.494"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's interesting you mentioned that because, you know, I'm in Literature \u0026 Fiction. I've been there for twenty years, and it's, which is even hard to say. Like, where did the time go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4435.78,4442.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Twenty years, wow. 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I always thought that having substituting in different departments was also very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4443.94,4469.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4469.54,4469.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's also humbling right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4469.98,4471.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4471.06,4471.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e mean, I'm humble, believe me. I'm humbled by my collection. Even after twenty years, I feel like we're just getting to know each other. (laughs) But — It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4471.46,4477.282"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e takes a long time. (laughs) Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4477.53,4478.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah. I mean, and in some people—yeah... So I missed that and, and I also like that about working in a branch because it's more like things can come out of left field and you're, a question that and you learn. I mean, the reason -- one of the main reasons I became a librarian is to learn. And so that is, that's an excellent point because the the specialization is excellent. But in a lot of ways, what's great about being a branch is that it makes you more of a generalist, which is really one of the attractions of being a librarian as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4478.77,4507.29"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess the word was reciprocated, I was looking for. I didn't feel that it was reciprocated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4507.33,4511.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e There you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4511.61,4512.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I know that there were people that felt that same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4512.73,4516.77"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. But it's interesting too, because when you were talking about kind of the siloing of, you know, the subject departments. And I'm really thank you for bringing up the point about like, the fact that the while it gave us more space to have the this, you know, expansion that it also probably led to more, maybe more—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4516.81,4532.394"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e More isolation, maybe. More","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4532.4,4533.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e isolation, more fiefdom. But also as the brief time that I was a branch librarian, I remember also feeling isolated sometimes in branches. So I would imagine having you having worked in five of six regions, that different regions are better about that too. And it depends on who the head of the region is, or it depends on a lot of things. Some regions are also—like Northeast is actually all kind of close together. The old, the old Central before it became Central, Southern Central is really compact. But Southern, is where I was, was stretched out, is much more stretched out. And so I wonder too, like, maybe you could speak to that, maybe some, some different places -- because I often felt isolated and I loved getting together for regional parties, you know. And of course, you have your, I was YA, so we had our order meetings and so on. We had local meetings with YAs at different branches, which was great. And of course, being in the union is great because you can go to different branches throughout the system. A lot of branches I've only been to because of union meetings, but, yeah. Would you want to speak to maybe some, some parallels with how how different branches might become fiefdoms within a region and also how regions also, you know, have a different, organizational culture as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4533.8,4606.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I never, I never really considered any branch to be a fiefdom. I mean, and of course, I didn't experience every single branch working in them, but I did as a branch director, and I— You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4606.04,4621.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e got a picture of, a wider picture as the branch— Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4621.04,4623.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah. And I, and I could see that the leadership of those regions was significantly different from place to place. I mean, we had Nina Wilson in the West Valley. Well, Nina was a military person originally, and she, she was a lovely person, but I was afraid of her. And a lot of people were. I almost didn't want to go to Chatsworth because she was there. And she was just the most lovely person to me. She was wonderful, and she taught me. She taught me how to—I thought, how am I going to know how to run something if I take that job? Her job. And then I got there and I went, Oh, I could do this. You know? Because she made it sound like she, I mean, she was—and Penny Carr too. She—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4623.16,4671.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. She comes up over and over again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4671.83,4673.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e She just had things-- she had to have things done certain ways. And she was very, wanted to get into a lot of the work that people were doing and want to know what this and tell him what to do and send this here and, I don't know. Anyway, she was another one. And, but Joyce Elliot was, she was just wonderful. She was like the perfect manager. I think she was smart and she was well-spoken. She was, she was a leader in the union. And, just, you know, she just was a real rational person who made good decisions. I just thought she was amazing. She was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4673.31,4716.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's interesting how much the organizational culture is affected by leaders. And, you know, in Central has been like that, too. Like, I came under Anne Connor and there was, it was a difference. It was definitely a different Central than it is now. But yeah, it can definitely -- it's interesting how much they can affect the culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4717.11,4735.39"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I think in Southern and Central it was a little looser. The Valley was tight, the West Valley was tight, and Western was kind of almost like that too. But some of the others were—like in Northeast, like, it was, we just did so many different kinds of things because we had a different kind of public to serve. More, I don't know, getting together the moms, getting together the kids, getting together YAs for a dance program. You know, stuff like that. It was different. But yeah, they all had their personality. But I don't know, they were all, they were all great together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4735.43,4774.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And anyway, a lot of it, again, as you were saying before, reflects the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4774.3,4777.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4777.7,4778.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Or most of it really. No, and it's just, you kind of have a good, a good perspective because not only different, all the different positions you've held to see all the different cultures that have been in LAPL. So we'll be waiting for your book on that. But, at any rate, it's been— I've","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4778.9,4792.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e been retired for fifteen years. I think the time has passed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4792.79,4795.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, of course, of course. But I mean, no, it's great. It's great to hear you discuss it here. And then but also like in terms of like, with the, so you have a good perspective. And then with the organizational formation, it was there, were you able to apply, so you were like evaluating particular programs like, or particular, organizational—I can't think of the word—organizational efforts to like new programs, you know. Were there, were there things you were able to provide from the private you're studying private and public sector? Were you able to provide ways of that? You could -- different ways of establishing the effectiveness of programs through evaluation, through the different ways, goals and objectives were presented or anything like that? Or is that too kind of granular?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4795.46,4843.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I can. I don't know what to say about that. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4844.02,4849.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Fair enough. And so and then, the last thing maybe about that would be-- did you see, like was there, what your experience in the public sector was, do you see any kind of convergence between the public and private sector has happened over the last...forty years or so? Like the beginning of the Foundation, that was something there was never any—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4849.98,4874.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was amazing. That was a major thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4874.7,4877.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And that's kind of a private-public. They're kind of an intermediary, really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4877.14,4881.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And we had, they did so many programs that involved, you know, private sector and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4881.21,4887.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And of course, the private sector was really supportive with Lodwrick Cook and so on with ARCO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4888.29,4892.724"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he did a great thing by just offering that space and looking down at the library on fire and saying, \"You guys need someplace to stay.\" And yeah, I— I don't know what to say to that, really. I mean, we did a lot of outreach programs here at Central Library to, to get people that were in our surrounding community here to come in and see what the kind of materials and the kind of resources that people needed. I mean, I know there were other partnerships with, you know, other, learning institutions and things for people trying to learn English or people trying to read. And we had a lot of things that, there were a lot of different things going on at the same time, you know, in different offices handling different, different, different programs. All meant to get people to come and see what we could, and then figure out, \"We can give you, get you this. We can do this for you. Tell us what you want and we can do it.\" That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4892.81,4954.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4954.84,4955.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And I see that now, even in looking at some of the things going on here that it continues. And, a lot of people don't maybe come to the library because they just go on Google and they don't, they think they know it all, but there's just so much more that the library provides, to people. But, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4955.96,4980.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Yeah. No, that's the, as we discussed before we started, when we discussed off camera, you know, we're putting together an exhibition to celebrate, you know, Central 100 and for the 1990s, we have very little on Central. You know, as most of the actions actually were during the nineties was really happening at the branch level with the bond measures, and, you know, in the 1990s and the first decade of the 2000s. What are some things that we might, you know, that be that might not be well known by the public or even, you know, people working now about what happened in the nineties or 2000s? The first thing of course, we discussed is technologies. You described automation going on in the late nineties, some of the ways that things were becoming automated. Would you like to expand on some of that, even just talking about the technology or anything else? That might be something that's true of that era that people may not remember that would be worth talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=4980.16,5036.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was down here. I was down here on and off during that time. And like I said, I had a limited time, amount of time here. I just, I just don't know. I don't remember too much about the nineties, except that there was so much movement around, and so, there was so many things we had to do because we had these disasters. A lot of effort was, was spent on those kind of things. That earthquake just was, made everybody have to move. And, I think some people came here to Central. I mean, we had a lot of cross-pollination at that point, I think, which was really a good thing. So that was a that was a very positive thing that came out of all of that. And, I don't know, I mean, we did have all of the automation. It was just, it was so slow to start. But we had so much training going on. We had a lot of meetings, we had outreach. We had neighborhood councils pop up because of the building program. I don't even remember much about it, except that I know they had a stake in their, in their libraries and in their new libraries. And they thought it was, they thought it was great. That was alongside the Friends group. So we had a lot of different—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5037.16,5129.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e When did neighborhood councils start? Was it after, Rodney King that happened? I have a feeling it was after Rodney King.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5129.83,5135.95"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It was later. It was, it was a bit later. Yes. And I don't know exactly when it started. I just know that we had to, we met with, with people, and we let them meet in the libraries. And so there was just more of that, you know, outreach and meeting people. 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And there were so many meetings prior to opening all of those libraries, so many public meetings and I had, I had, come in on the tail end of that, and there was a lot of moving, going on. So there was just, just movement everywhere. Everywhere. Everybody was working on all of this stuff in one way or another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5162.91,5187.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So it was overwhelming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5187.62,5188.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It was, it was, it was a big job. It was a big job all the way around. And I came in at the tail end, end of that with the opening of the branches, the openings, and working through the punch list with people and working with the, on the furniture and on the books, bookshelf, you know, how how are they going to shelve, what they were going to put here and there? It had all these branches to deal with. And, I didn't, I wasn't at a level where I had to, to move anything or anything like that, but we were just all involved. And then the branches started opening and we just had one thing after, one opening after another, and it was relentless. I mean, it was great. It was awesome for the communities, were just so thrilled. And they finally, some of them had libraries that didn't, had wanted them for years. And we'd been hearing from for years and years and years, and they finally got libraries and they really used their libraries. And some of these older buildings were just renovated, some of the really older historic ones, because the communities or the neighborhood councils or some of those people wanted them to stay. And anyway, there were some interesting meetings that we had, but we had a lot of things going on at that time. And then all the updating of all these automation, you know, they were working hard in the IT departments and we, we we tried to, just improve through automation, through anything that we had previously done, you know. And so the priority shifted. I mean, we didn't have to, we didn't have to file catalog cards and we didn't have to mark order sheets. And, you know, so I'm thinking, \"Okay, well, you know, what else? What do we do? What are we doing? What do we need to do? Where can our focus go. Where can we shift?\" So that was those were the kind of things that went on in the nineties. But honestly, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5188.5,5309.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean, you've described it really well. I mean, they just think we were talking about the cards, you know, going to the OPAC from the cards, because I remember hearing that a lot of the times the cards would be vandalized. So just to have something that couldn't be toyed with anymore that you could count on, that was a huge thing for both librarians and patrons. So that's a really positive leg up—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5310.85,5331.902"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e In '94 with that earthquake. I mean, the destruction was crazy. I mean, the inside, the interiors of these branches. I remember going to Canoga Park with Nina Wilson one day and and it was closed, of course. And in the middle of the floor, as you walked in the front door was this huge pile of books, just in a heap, and card catalog drawers on the floor with cards everywhere, cards everywhere. The stacks were all fallen over and, and that was Canoga Park, Northridge, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5332.17,5371.45"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't even imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5371.49,5372.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't even remember what happened in Northridge, but it was, there were all—the work that had to get done was tremendous. It was just overwhelming for everybody. And they couldn't work, they couldn't work in the building. They had to be reassigned. And I, I can tell you that, that when we had that earthquake, like two days later, we had the order meeting and Fontayne called me and she said, \"Come down an hour ahead of time because we have to reassign all these people before they get here for the meeting at nine o'clock.\" And I, so I got down here at 7:30, and we went through this whole list of people, all the people that lived in the Valley and worked in the Valley—didn't live in the Valley, but worked in the Valley branches. And I knew everybody in the whole Valley. 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(laughs) Check out where your new job is. And they went, and some came down here, which was a godsend for Central, too, because they, they were busy and they had extra staff. They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5452.56,5464.986"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e needed help too. 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A side benefit. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5475.63,5476.19"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's often what happens. Okay. So just to—we've got the, we're getting toward the end. And I just wanted to mention when you were, you know, asked you when you were the director of Central Library, what were some of the challenges that come to mind and what were some pleasures, like pleasure, you know, things that you really enjoyed doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5476.23,5493.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Well, I, I did have I think that I mentioned the challenges were it didn't have so much to do with any, any, any staff. It had to do with having to work with a much lower budget because of the, the situation in the city at the time, the budget allocations were much less. And having, it was painful to talk with some of the Senior Librarians or Principal Librarians about how and what should be cut in the serials list. They had to, they had to come up with that. And I, you know, and I remember Lee Ridgeway, he was just such a wonderful person. Just terrific. And so just, I felt, it pained me to have to talk with him about this. And he was so good at trying to really, really get his staff to evaluate and do what we needed to do. And I, and I had to do that with all of them. That was painful. 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I had to do it because we didn't have a choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5559.91,5564.11"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a big switch. I remember that there was a lot more serials before that, and it was a big way that the research aspect of the library was definitely affected by that. Now you had have databases, true. Yeah, but to get rid of those, to stop those serial subscriptions. And we still have so many of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5565.31,5582.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I'm sure there's still a lot. And, and somebody on the staff didn't want to get, you know, didn't want to get rid of anything. And we, I had to really work a lot with that person, to get compliance really. Because she would eat into other people's budgets in Central. 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Some of the more interesting and fun things that we had to do was, there were projects set in motion by Elizabeth Higby, with money, I think, raised by the Foundation to renovate areas of the original building, Goodhue Building. And so they had done the Teen'Scape. And Popular Library I had worked on with Anne. Anne and I worked on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5603.46,5631.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Because that moved, right? It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5631.5,5632.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e went down into the, the down—yes. When you came into the library back when, there were no books, you didn't see books in the library when you walked in from Fifth Street. And, you know, the Popular Library was great because people would come in off the street, grab the new bestsellers and check them out and go. And it was, it was wonderful. So we, we did work on the, you know, all of the, I guess we worked with ITC on the kind of material, the checkout materials, the checkout desk, you know. Kind of the finer points of how it was organized and arranged and what we needed there. Same thing with Children's Services because we were redoing, it was being redone. There was a different storytime being redone. There was a little computer room that was being done. We worked on that. We worked on, the little Gallery that is up on the second floor. That was like a small gallery, not the Getty Gallery, but this little small one. That is where ILL and the registration desk used to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5632.98,5699.93"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's called the Annenberg Gallery, I think now. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5699.97,5701.404"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e it's Annenberg Gallery. That's, we worked on that. I worked, I had—this was a challenge for me with the Central people. I wanted to—I had visited a library system that had a really great computer center with a lot of computers, and I thought, Oh, you know, we have all these spaces that are, that are in this hallway that people can see, but they're work rooms, you know, behind the glass and there's huge, huge spaces. And Fontayne was, and she had always mentioned, she said, Oh, this is such a, it would be so good for public service. And so I thought, Okay, well, maybe we could do an actual special computer room. And Susan Kent was the, the City Librarian. And she said, Well, what about, why, why don't you just want to put more in the subject departments? And I said, Well, I, you know, they're kind of lost in the subject departments. You've got this huge furniture, the computers are inside. And I said, I really felt like that we needed some visibility in the technology area and that we needed something to expand what kind of computer, the numbers of computers that we had and so forth, and so I worked on that project. And I had to deal with the union. So it was difficult. Joan Bartel and I were, I had to do schedules because I wanted to use people from the departments on a rotating basis to help supervise. Because the clerical people would be, have shifts at a printer out in the middle of the floor of a subject department, and they would sit there for an hour or two hours just to hand people prints from the computer. 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It's hard. It's not, it's not—yeah. It's not intuitive in the least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=5896.0,5901.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's really difficult. In fact, I know you weren't involved in the numbering of the floors, but we always get people. I know that the people at the information desk tell people that to go to lower level three for Computer Center, and so they always end up in Literature. 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But getting back to your—oh, and also the Popular Library. That happened that, we didn't, when we opened in '93, the Popular Library wasn't there. I heard that they were talking about getting, like, reference, that idea of like, having a reference center there with like, reference books. 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James Van Gerpen, they were really good at listening to what our, our staff needed, what we needed to use, to use to within the library, in the Popular Library. And in other places, I had to talk to them about, too, because we had we had to install different kinds of equipment in different places. I don't remember what, but I know I said, Okay, this is how we use it. This is what we need it for, and this is where we need it. 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But anyway, it was, it was good times. I also had done a huge thing when I was first working with Fontayne in CLS, and I just first started, and I had done a lot of, basically customer service kind of training for all of, all the staff, really, but a lot of the clerical staff. And I had to do that because of them dealing with I, you know, upset patrons because of wait times, because we had really busy libraries too, and just how to handle things and how to handle people. And they liked me doing, the administrators liked me doing that there, and they wanted me to do it here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6188.57,6263.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And you had experience in the from the private sector. Wasn't that what you were doing at the S \u0026 L?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6263.2,6267.702"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, no, it was a little bit different there. That was getting deposits into the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6268.16,6273.095"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I thought you were involved in some training over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6273.36,6275.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I did, I trained them on how to use maps to get deposits... 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But, yeah, so I did have a speaker come in and do a lot of different customer service workshops for all the staff here, as well as the staff in the branch, in the branches. Or, and we would have library assistants, and when I was first at Mid Valley, we had a great library assistant. I said, You're going to do a customer service thing, put it together with another library assistant from Granada Hills, and you have all the clerks. And they did it, and they did a great job. And everybody got together and they got to— They're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6280.92,6314.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e the experts. I mean really. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6314.84,6315.926"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e they are the experts and they, and I just, I just always felt, okay, if I was standing in a long line waiting to check out books and somebody was not even looking at me, saying, \"Oh, I know you're there, but we'll get to you as soon as we can,\" I would be more, I would not be very tolerant, you know. So I said, There's ways of us to—very minimal effort—to acknowledge people and to let the—and to this day, I mean, I guess it's just me. But if I'm in a market with, I just expect to be, I mean, have a very, you know, positive experience with people who are trying to serve me, and I don't, I don't like to wait. And I'm sure none of these people wanted to wait either. But there was a lot of waiting around for busy libraries. But anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6316.08,6369.27"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's really good. Thank you. And so, with, same thing with the Branch Library Services. What were some of the challenges that were during your time? You've described so many. (Cecilia laughs) So if there's any more— All","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6369.55,6379.31"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e of those disasters. There's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6379.31,6380.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e so many that you wanted to add with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6380.43,6382.87"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6384.39,6384.67"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Like where the branches were. Oh, actually, before we go to that, I did want to ask you one more thing about Central, because you were you were the head of CLS at a time when the there was a lot more development going on downtown. And so downtown was essentially getting gentrified. There were populations were changing. Do you remember dealing with any of that? Because I know when the, I lived down here in the mid-nineties, and it was a very different city than it was even ten years later. So, you know, we were like pioneers. And then but by the time, you know, it was very different by the time, you know, ten years later and you really were here during that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6385.15,6418.83"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. We were. We did see, we did see a lot of people moving into the condos and around, down, you know, down south of us. And yeah, they're all new prospective library users. So we were just hoping to, offer enough programs that they would be interested in coming here to see what their local library was like. It was basically their local branch because there weren't any other locations that they could get to, or they could get here walking. But anyway, yeah, I, you know, I didn't really see that so much. The people that were in those, unless they worked here, I saw a lot of the people from our office buildings around, that would come into the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6418.87,6470.46"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e But they'd always, they'd always kind of done that. So you didn't experience—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6470.5,6473.656"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't notice a huge change in that. I don't think I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6473.66,6477.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Just curious, because that was kind of historically going on at that time. But, you know, that took also, it took a long time to play out. When you were—and so we were back to BLS—what were some of the things that were going on that you might at that time, that you may not have mentioned? At that point, I think the the last building, the two last were like Expo and Silver Lake. I think they were the last ones to open. I think you might have been at BLS for that. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6478.06,6507.17"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e was around for that. I was around for all of them. Yeah, Silver Lake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6507.17,6511.284"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So you kind of, like, presided over, like the completion of a lot of, a lot of the bond program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6511.41,6516.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was in there before the books were getting shelved. And, you know, just, the area managers were also involved, the staff, the Senior Librarian. And they were, you know, everybody was involved in the shelving of the collection. And we were involved with the furniture, with the setup, with the things that people needed, things we needed to buy, punch lists, just all kinds of things at the end. And then the opening, of course, all the openings, and the council people were so happy, so excited to have these branches in their areas. I mean, some of them would come through branches, quite often. When I was at Stevenson, Art Snyder, was the 14th District, Art Snyder was our councilman. He would just come through in his suit with his aide.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6516.29,6567.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6567.25,6567.73"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Walk around and go out and I'd say, \"Who's that?\" (both laugh) \"That's Art Snyder.\" And then, also, well, there were others in Sun Valley and in Sunland and different places where they would, they came around. They came, they were visible. They were, they were interested. They were—and we did a lot of work to keep them interested. And I do remember— What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6567.77,6593.05"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e type of work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6593.05,6593.684"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6594.13,6594.484"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell me what you do remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6594.73,6596.25"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I was remembering when Richard Riordan, when we opened Mid Valley, Richard Riordan was the mayor. And he liked to come and read children's books. He liked to read Green Eggs and Ham to the kids. So he would always bring that. We'd have to get that book for him and he would read to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6596.45,6610.33"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e He didn't have his own copy. (laughs) No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6610.37,6612.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think he brought his own, but he liked reading. He was there a few times doing that. And he and he, had an extra fund in his Mayor's Office and he gave it to the library. He loved and supported the library. He really loved it. Yeah, he just passed away too. But we've had so much support from all of the mayors, really, and the council people. 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And that's to the credit of the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6637.72,6643.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a positive organization that they can, these council people can look to and say, \"This is what we have done.\" You know, this is what we have in this great city. We have these kind of services. And so we had to make sure, you know, we just worked our hardest to make them the best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6643.6,6658.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really positive. What were some of the challenges of BLS? I know what you, I don't—when did Lake View Terrace open? I know they had an issue with like, at one point they were experimenting with the vendors, providing books without consulting the library and, you know, Lake View Terrace, that didn't necessarily work well. But I think that might have been when you were in CLS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6658.76,6679.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think, I don't—I know that I was there when, when, when Lake View Terrace opened because I had talked with Connie Dosh was there as a Senior. 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Speaking of horses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6690.468,6691.88"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Connie, is she still here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6692.08,6693.546"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know if she—she was still here just a couple of years ago. She was up there. Not at Lake View, but another branch up in that area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6693.68,6701.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6702.08,6702.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e She's, she was wonderful. She was at Vernon when I was, when I worked with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6703.04,6706.76"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. She did a great job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6707.76,6709.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e She really was great there. She was wonderful. She's very charismatic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6709.2,6711.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Very lovely person. I used to ride the train with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6711.84,6715.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no kidding? 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So your train ride provided you that time. Can we-- Maybe that was something, did you work or is that you try to make that a point of time where it was just to yourself doing what you wanted to do? 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I did take work with me. And, it was great because we had little tables and like, little desks on some of those, on the Metrolink. Anyway, I would, I would be up before six o'clock in the morning, and then I'd have to be leave my house at 6:20 and get to the train. It was at 6:41.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6749.47,6767.824"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And you would have to go into Ventura from Moorpark. So it was actually— No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6769.19,6772.636"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e the train station was in Moorpark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6773.07,6774.35"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, lovely. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6774.39,6774.91"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And it went on to Ventura, but I lived, I lived at one of the stops very close to it, in fact. And so I would get on it every day. And it was by 6:41 it left. And then I was in my office at eight, but I had had to be off the train and onto either the little bus that came around—I forget what you call it, the bus that comes around downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6775.39,6796.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e The DASH.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6796.75,6797.184"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e The DASH or the, the subway. And then I would walk three blocks, and then I would get here by eight into my office. And rain or shine, and which was the best thing, because I didn't have to be on the freeway and come fifty miles in the rain and come in late and all like a cat jogged in, you know, dripping. And it was, I was always here on time and then I could work later if I needed to, if because there was a latest train that I could take, and then after that there was just a bus. So I had to be on that one, otherwise I wouldn't get home. So, I did a lot of work. I was—I have to tell you about this one time, though, when they had the Metrolink crash, which was in Chatsworth. I don't know if you know about it. 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They all worked down here around the finance buildings and everywhere all over LA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=6980.09,7005.49"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And there was all those rumors—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7005.57,7006.711"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e And then there were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7006.81,7007.724"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e —about LA was next. I mean, that was a big part of it. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7008.33,7010.81"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e and we were across the street from the tallest building, US Bank building. And we were, we didn't have anybody coming in that, we didn't open. We didn't know for a while what was going on. We were in Susan Kent's office and she, we were talking about it, and, I don't remember exactly what happened, if the staff was here for most of the time, the staff that was supposed to be scheduled here was here. But at some point the Mayor approved for us to close it and leave the library. 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No, we didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7046.593,7047.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn't open at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7048.12,7048.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Patrons were not coming in because nobody was around these buildings. People on the train that went, their offices said, \"Go home, don't come\", because it could have been another target, basically. So that was an odd thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7048.68,7063.014"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So it did close. That was, that was an example of when the library did close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7063.8,7067.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Only a couple of people wanted to stay here when the rest of us were allowed to go. You didn't have to go, but you could. 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Did you know Linda?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7079.24,7082.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. She was in History. She was the, uh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7083.16,7086.346"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e She was Social Sciences. 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Those or those particular times. Yeah. All right. Interesting. Yeah. I think I'm glad we talked about that though. The train is such an interesting—and so you did work and you read books too. 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I do remember it being a great way for people that were like in a kind of isolated in branches to meet each other, especially within the departments. 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And I was, I had to make up lists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7541.12,7549.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7549.88,7550.56"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was not good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7550.83,7552.63"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you work with the union to do that, or you had to follow union rules too? No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7552.67,7555.55"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't. I had to do it. And then we weren't really sure which ones would actually have to go or how many. And so I didn't implement that because the retirement came just before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7555.55,7569.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e I see what you're saying. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7569.27,7570.43"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e So I prepared it. And the person who followed me had to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7570.47,7574.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean, when you say the retirement, the ERIP [Early Retirement Incentive Program]? After that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7575.03,7577.59"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes, yes. That would that happened in June, the ERIP, that everyone left in the beginning of June. So that was not done, the actual layoffs. A lot of them were exempt people, Messenger Clerks, but there were some other people who had been. I don't even really know because I didn't, I didn't stay around to see what ended up happening. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7577.91,7603.104"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e but you laid, you did some of the original work for that. This might be a good area, just for the last question, because ERIP, you took advantage of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7603.35,7613.79"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7613.83,7614.23"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you want to talk about your retirement and some of the stuff you were talking about before, about breaking up the band, so to speak, of the people that had worked together for so long? Do you want to talk about that as the last kind of last question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7614.27,7624.51"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, it was, it was a thing that was going to happen, not going to happen for so long, for so many months. And we would all get into Panda and be talking, \"Well, what, well if we get this golden handshake, what are you going to do?\" \"I'm not sure. What are you going to do?\" You know, and we were just not sure what to do because people weren't really ready to leave. I mean, there would have been no question if they'd said, \"Okay, I've had enough. I'm out of here.\" No, it was a good, it was a good opportunity at the time, you know, for—and I was like fifty-seven maybe when I retired. That's pretty young for retirement. And I just thought, Okay, I, I think I cannot turn this down. I can't pass this up. And so many others that were my colleagues, except for a couple who weren't eligible, just thought the same way I did that, \"I think we need to do this.\" And it was it was unfortunate because it was a real brain drain on the library, and it was a brain drain on the city departments, all the city departments, all of my colleagues in other departments who I had worked with. All these other— It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7625.55,7702.677"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e definitely changed the libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7702.677,7703.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e —managers were gone and then had to start all over, you know, learning all of this background. But there were people who carried it through. Some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7703.26,7713.089"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e people came back too. I remember seeing Betsy, because she was hired back. I remember seeing her in Panda. And I said, \"I thought you were retired.\" And she goes, \"Oh, I've got this, you know, got this deal.\" Like where she was working, like they hired her as a consultant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7713.089,7726.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that had, that did happen. And I'm, and I think that was a good thing because there was some transition. You needed some, some form of a transition in some of these areas, at least training of other people to do this or getting, people needed—you can only work so many hours. But well, for consulting, that was a different thing entirely. You could pay these folks out of a different fund. Like, I mean, Matthew Mattson, I think he was hired as a consultant. He wasn't on the regular. Yeah, but the was so wonderful. I mean, his contract kept going. We had a lot of other people around that were consulting too. But yeah, people did come back, or they could substitute. And I just thought to myself, You know what? I can't do that. I've been the head of Branch Library Services. You know, I just feel like, I just would feel kind of weird, you know, being on the reference desk. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7726.66,7776.02"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e was odd having Anne Conner working at our department. It was nice because she's great, but it was, it was interesting. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7776.02,7781.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, and I didn't feel like, Oh, I'm too good to do that. It was just like, I haven't used, I haven't used all of that, you know, for reference, in a long time either. All the resources, I think I need my time, my time away now. Now that I made the decision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7781.7,7797.01"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e So now, once you made it, I'm sure, like, you may have missed some things, but I have a feeling you didn't regret it too bad. It sounds like you've made the most of your retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7797.05,7804.57"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the week after I was retired, I was like, Oh, yeah, I could sleep late. I don't have to get up at 5:30. And my husband comes over, \"Oh, could you do this for me?\" You know, and he had a project with houses that he was working on and, \"Oh, okay.\" Because I wanted something to do. I didn't want to do nothing. Also I couldn't, Fontayne and Anne were volunteering at the Getty, and they still do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7804.61,7825.69"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I did not know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7825.73,7827.09"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCecilia Riddle:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The Getty, the Getty Villa. For years, they've been doing it. Well Anne, I don't think Anne does it permanently anymore. She's a substitute, but Fontayne is back to doing it now since they've opened after the fire, the Palisades fire. But they said, \"There's a vacancy for a docent. Would you want to do that?\" And I said, \"No, no.\" (laughs) No, because I knew I was always traveling. And I said, I would feel like compelled to just, I mean, to be there consistently and not to have to keep trading around with people. And I'm going and I'm coming, I'm going. I just didn't, I just didn't think that that would be a good thing to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7827.13,7862.21"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603/transcript/84581/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJim Sherman:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes sense. No. And it's really great to it's great to see you again because it's, you know, you look great. You look like you've really enjoyed your retirement, but it's really great. I'm really glad that Fontayne helped organize this, because it's really important, your role in the library. You've done more things than most people in all these different departments. So it's really great perspective you were able to provide today. Thank you very much for coming in and sharing it. Did you want to mention anything else before w","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/160736/file/292603#t=7862.25,7890.09"}]}]}]}