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It is January 8th, 2024, and we are recording at the Central Library in the Octavia Lab. So, Glen, to get started, what year did you start with LAPL and what positions have you had in the system?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=11.48,42.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I started in November 1979. I started as a reference librarian in the History Department. History department was an entity, that's before they added genealogy. I was promoted to what was then Librarian II, which was a subject specialist, and that was in 1989. I stayed in the position of Librarian II until they upgraded the position to Librarian III. And then I finished my career in November 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=42.12,90.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought it was 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=90.3,91.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=91.98,93.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry. Time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=93.3,94.12"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e flies. I know it's been two years. Yeah, that's right. So it's, yeah, 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=94.12,101.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. So what was your path to librarianship in general? And then what brought you to work at LAPL specifically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=101.26,117.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I graduated from college in 1970 and I had no great plans. I just wanted to be a hippie and so I was forced to go to work. I got a job as a salesman. I was an inside salesman for a scientific equipment company. And then I seemed to be the one, I was the first person in the company that ever wore a, it was a coat and tie gig, the first person ever in the company to wear a colored shirt. Everybody wore like white shirts and ties. So I was considered kind of a wild guy. And then it turns out we sold a lot of library glassware and I developed customers that were like head shops and stuff like that. One of the head shops liked me a lot and they offered me a job as their quote, \"business manager.\" So I left being a salesman to go be a quote, \"business manager\" of this glassworks company that was full of a bunch of hippies and all they ever did was smoke hash and walk down to the beach. So after like seven months, this was at 10th and Pico in Santa Monica. After about eight months of absolutely not accomplishing anything, some guy took over the business and bought me out, gave me a hundred dollars. That's what I got for the entire eight months I worked there. So from there, I had a series of dead-end jobs. I was a janitor for the, by the way, I was the janitor for the Carpenters, the music group, the Carpenters. They owned some apartment buildings in Downey. Left that job, worked for my father for a while [as a ticket broker], and I got held up at gunpoint in 1976, and I didn't want to work, do that job anymore. And I got a job at UCLA and I was the box office manager, but due to my fault I got fired from that job at UCLA. And I was at, I basically, everything went wrong for me in 1975, my girlfriend dumped me, my cat got run over, I got fired, and I lost my apartment. So a friend of mine invited me to come and stay at his house in South Gate. That's my dear friend Tim. In that period I'd start going to the public library because I had nothing else to do. I wasn't looking that hard for a job. There were two beautiful librarians there who I had big crushes on, Pam and Paula. Eventually, I started thinking, this would be not a bad way to make a living. So on a completely on a whim I heard that there was a library school at Cal State Fullerton. So I just went over there one day and I borrowed $2,000 and I went to library school. Now my first day of class when I went in I thought this doesn't seem right. There's no syllabus, there's nothing. It turns out I had the dates wrong. So school had already been in session for a week and I showed up in the second week, so I was behind. Anyway, library school was a good experience for me. Everything worked out. So, it's like, okay, I think I've found what I want to do now. I want to be a librarian in a public library because I interned at both Culver City, which is a county branch, really busy branch. And there was a male librarian there. See, there wasn't that many guys who were doing the librarian thing at that point. But there was a guy there named Randall Henry. And by the way, the cute librarian from Southgate, she had transferred to Culver City, so she helped me get started there. Now, she was happily married, and I used to say to her, in those days you could say stuff like this, I'd say, \"I want to be on the waiting list.\" So Paula and I are still very good friends to this day. She eventually became the head of the Torrance Library system. She's retired now. And I was an intern at the Leland Weaver branch in South Gate. And that's what I thought. I wanted to work in a branch like that. I like that. I like that, you know, you had a relationship with the public and, you know, it was a safe place. And then Proposition 13 passes and it just wipes out libraries. The county has to lay off a third of all these veteran librarians, the city has the same deal, they lose all kinds of staff, there's absolutely no chance that somebody, you know, right out of library school is gonna get a job in a public library. So that's my dream. So at this point, I got a call at home from a woman Ann Saucedo and she was the just been brought in to be the newspaper librarian at the Los Angeles Herald Examiner. And so I was recommended to her by a woman, Doris Banks, who is one of my professors at Cal State Fullerton. And so, I went and I interviewed. This wasn't my dream or anything, but it was exciting to be at a newspaper. And I thought, maybe I'll get my way into writing because I had published something in the LA Times and I had the bug of being a freelancer, but I didn't put in the work. So I worked at the Herald, and I mean, I got the job immediately. And I showed up in a suit and tie, and people were like, they thought I was like the owner or something because that's not the way journalism is. I mean, this is old-school blue pencil editing, no computers. People sat at typewriters typing these long sheets of paper and then the editors were, you know, making changes. And then it's kind of, there's kind of a funny side story I'll say very quickly. One of the women that typed up the stuff, you know, it's like a secretary job. Her name is Laurel Ann Bogen and it turns out that a couple of years later her grandmother owned several blocks of Wilshire Boulevard. And when grandma died she became a poet, Laurel. She's a fairly well-known poet or used to be in LA, I don't know. But anyway, I made great friends at the Herald and it was fun, it was exciting, but it paid $150 a week. Now, even though my rent was, I think I paid $140 a month, in the meantime, the house that I moved in with my friend, he got married, so then I inherited the house. So I paid $140 for a three-bedroom house rent and even that $150, that was, you know, I mean I had to buy weed and everything and wine. And so I bought all my clothes at thrift stores, you know, all cotton. I ironed my clothes and, you know, worked at the Herald and then...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=117.0,649.9"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e And I'm sorry, just, you were a librarian at the Herald?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=649.9,653.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Loosely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=653.42,654.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=654.14,654.52"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e worked in the, with the library. Yeah, we didn't like the term, \"morgue.\" That's like an East Coast term. But, you know,  met a lot of interesting people and there was a lot of famous people's kids worked there. Like Jimmy Breslin's kid lived there, York and the TV guy, and then of course the Hearsts. So  knew Patty Hearst's sister, that was Jenna. Matter of fact, she grabbed my thigh once at Corky's Bar when people, when we got a little drunk. And, you know,  sort of,  got along with the sports guys because  was a sports nut and everything. And  mean,  was trying so hard to get a girlfriend.  was like asking every woman in sight out. At any rate, the Herald, eventually they gave me a column.  did like a consumer affairs column, and  got to do a book review. As an archivist or a librarian, if you saw the stuff that went on there, you would black out. t was just awful, the way things were treated. You know, what we have now is this fantastic historic photo collection. t was ridiculous. Just piles of stuff and people take stuff, you'd never see it again. All the files like of Marilyn Monroe, the Beatles, they were all stolen, you know. So at any rate, it was the Herald's at basically Broadway and 11th. So it's an interesting neighborhood, it was an interesting experience, but the pay was awful. So eventually,  see 'm not getting writing gigs.  started out actually being a file clerk, which is a really demeaning thing. At this point, 'm almost 30 years old.  have a master's degree. But eventually it evolved into,  was the person,  would sit with eight copies of the newspaper and  would make hatch marks and write a subject so that you could approach the story from all these different angles. You had to do the the title, you had to do the author of the piece, the subject, and maybe a person's name. So that wasn't too bad. But then they started interviewing again the county and the LA City Library. So  still wanted to work in a public library. That was my dream. That's all  really wanted. So  applied And  didn't get a very high score.  think  scored like 89 or something like that. And you wouldn't even be considered unless you were in the mid-90s. But eventually,  got a call. And this is a weird thing that somehow this ended up in Wikipedia. f you look me up in Wikipedia, it'll say that  was a children's librarian at the San Dimas Public Library. But  was offered the job. And  said, you know,  knew the deal was you take anything and then you can move around. So  accepted the job with the county. And  was kind of dreading it because they said, you're going to be doing story hour every Saturday morning. That's one thing you have to know right now. And 'm thinking, oh, man. Plus, San Dimas is like out in the middle of nowhere in the gravel pits. But 'm thinking, at least 'm going to leave. 'm going to get out of the Herald, it's a dead end thing. And 'm sitting there one day and the phone rings and it's Miss Pratt, Mary Pratt, Principal Librarian of the History Department. And she asks me if  would like to come to work in the History Department. And 'm like, what, Central Library? Central Library is like Dodger Stadium. You know,  never dreamed. n those days, nobody got hired to Central. You worked at the branches till you prove yourself and then you maybe get... And there were certain departments where there you never could get into him. You couldn't get into the Literature Department. You couldn't get into the Art Department probably, or History was like that. So  remember having,  mean, it was what they offered me the interview to see if they wanted me. So  remembered the job and  was trying to tell them how normal  was. Which is really a dumb... How'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=654.52,972.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e that go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=972.72,974.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Here's the whole reason why Glen Creason was at LAPL. There was a guy named Jim Keckeisen who worked in the History Department. He was very well liked. He had a beard. He wore glasses. He decided he wanted to go back to Texas where he was from. He left and they had a hole in the department and it was like, \"Well just this guy's another Jim Keckeisen. We'll Just stick him in there.\" So when Mary Pratt called me back and said, OK, you got the job, I was literally jumping like cheerleaders do, where they jump and their legs go like, like, I was jumping. Oh my god, I got it. I'm working in History. You know, and it's like, my number one dream would have been to get a job in the Literature Department, because that's what I was, an English major, which would have been great. But anyway, History was like a very close second. So in those days, History was just history, travel, and sort of archaeology that was completely ignored and a little bit of geography, you know, we had a little bit of geography. Genealogy was a department that was in another part of the building. I wanted no part of it. It's Children's and Genealogy were on these little islands that were off the side of the library. So November 19th, I start. The first day, I am so hung over, I can't even hardly walk. And the first thing they do is, \"OK, you've got to go over to the side and get your picture taken for your ID.\" So I still have that ID picture. And I look real pale. But I'm delighted. But I was celebrating the night before. And I was a big drinker much more then than now. So the entire first week of my, quote, \"training\" was they just said, \"Just go look at the collection.\" Nobody went with me, nobody said anything to me. I had a real no-nonsense senior librarian that was Frank Louck. Frank was one of the World War II experts that any place. He knew everything about World War II. The saintly Miss Pratt was the Principal Librarian. There was Frank Louck, Senior. There was Dorothy Mewshaw, Map Librarian, which was a fairly new job. It was only nine years old at that point. There was a Native American specialist, that was Leah Kornbluth, just a peach of a woman. Dorothy was very eccentric, the Map Librarian. I maybe shouldn't start in on her because that might take quite a bit of time. And then there was Carolyn Germann. I'm not gonna say anything unkind. Carolyn was a character and an oddball. Actually her, I like the fact that her maiden name was Longyear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=974.54,1214.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Unusual name. Yeah. Well that seems like a good place to, it's kind of a little bit out of order. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1214.1,1220.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1220.94,1221.1"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e I would like to hear the staff members who had a big impact on your career at LAPL. Of course, Mary Pratt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1221.1,1230.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Mary Pratt. Who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1230.72,1231.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e was important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1231.42,1233.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Frank Louck. Frank Louck taught me so much. But Frank was, he was, he went by the book, you know, and he criticized me quite a bit, and I was kind of a loose cannon. And I admit that I'd get restless. And at one point, I was banned from three different departments because I like to go and joke with people. I was popular with them, but not with the supervisors. So they banned me from Business, they banned me from Soc. Anyway, about the people. Frank Louck. I think that Leah Kornbluth, she taught me a lot. She's a very gentle, dear person, and she was a personal friend of mine. And she was terrific with the public. Frank was more like, if you want the question answered, he'll get the question answered. And he knew where stuff was in the collection. As far as - Dorothy, of course, has influenced me because she was the map person, but her idea was everything goes through her. You don't need to know anything. You come, you, everything has to be go through her. So the, the other thing is, you know, I mean, of people that influence me too, they're not just librarians, because the Library Assistant when I was at pre-fire Central was probably the most lovable human being I ever met in my entire life. Her name was Arthur Jean Lowe. And I loved that woman. I mean, I gave a eulogy at her funeral. I used to give her rides home and she was a black woman and she lived in kind of a bad neighborhood. So people would like, what's this white boy in his Volkswagen doing folding up by the liquor store. They lived next to her liquor store. Anyway, Arthur was the person who taught me how to navigate around. You know how you got to learn these things in an institution. Also, that was the days of the SCAN librarians. These were like the super librarians who, when you couldn't answer a question and it was up a couple of levels from you, you could write a little form up and hand it in. Do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1233.18,1413.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e you remember what SCAN stood for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1413.16,1415.08"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Southern California Answering Network.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1415.08,1417.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1417.28,1418.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e And so Diane McCarry was our SCAN librarian. I learned a lot from her. The collection, Diane knew it. But see, Diane was the old style research library, like New York Public Library. That's where she was at. And that's where Miss Pratt was, too. And that's where Frank was but later on that changed, you know, but anyway within the department those people had an influence on me. Outside of the department I would say of course overall Helene, Helene Mochedlover and Billie Connor, they were in another world as far as they talked me off the ledge, they told me stuff, truths about the library, but you don't do this, you can get away with this, but don't do that. So they were very important. They were people I just really liked, but I wasn't even around them very much. I liked Pat Spencer, and I'm still, Pat's 88 now, we exchange emails. And Pat's from Memphis. She used to go and hear, Elvis Presley, sit on the back of a flatbed truck and play his guitar. So, and I was more - see because Literature is on one side of us, Soc is on the other side, so those people I knew a little better. But I liked people in Science too. I always was good friends with Helen, Helen Haskell. In Literature, they were great characters, and they were fun to be around. And throughout the years the cast changed a little, but you know, like Bob Anderson came after me, but he was a fixture. You know, it's not like I, you know, went out drinking with Bob Anderson, but I'll tell you something, another thing that you learn in Central, and this has always been the case, you have a question you want to answer, you know who to go to in that department. If you want to get a question answered about literature, you're gonna go to Bob Anderson. Not to Helene, even though God bless her soul. She's a great person, but if you want the question answered you go to Anderson. I mean in the early days you could ask MJ {Campbell] anything, but MJ was such a snob about she didn't it didn't want to do fiction. She thought fiction was beneath her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1418.04,1606.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1606.5,1607.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1607.14,1607.753"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the Senior in Social Science was Linda Moussa, who later on became my Principal. She didn't like me very much. She banned me from their department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1607.753,1620.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So once you started in the History Department, how did you become the map librarian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1620.64,1627.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, all it really boils down to is that once we went to Spring, and when they moved, when the library finally moved, you know, we kicked around in the empty Central for like nine months. And they didn't do, they didn't touch the maps. They stayed there in the old beat-up old building. They didn't go to Rio Vista. They didn't go to a warehouse. Once we got to Spring Street, when they moved them, these amateur movers, they didn't know how, they didn't understand that you need to keep things in order. Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1627.44,1666.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e and just to clarify, so you became the map librarian...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1666.28,1669.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e At Spring Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1669.28,1670.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so when the library was in its temporary location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1670.58,1674.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1674.96,1675.675"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e understood. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1675.675,1676.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e it was right after we got there and Dorothy was like, \"Okay, no mas.\" So Dorothy left and went too, and I gave a speech at her farewell thing, and that was, they had a really nice auditorium at Spring Street. I also gave a speech at Mary Pratt's retirement that was there, which was very sad because not only we lose Mary, but she got replaced by somebody that was completely different. [Correction: Mary Pratt retired from the Rio Vista location and her retirement was at the Biltmore Hotel.] Anyway, so the maps are all jumbled up. Dorothy leaves. Frank, luckily, is a guy who has the brains in the organization. We went in, Frank and I went in and just basically put them back in order. So then, you know, I'm going ahead of your question. The thing is, Dorothy leaves, the position's open, now it's now then it's called Librarian II. Everybody's a LI except for these just a few people at Central. There's no branch LII's. There's Helen Haskell, Glenda Prosser. I could tell you the names of them, but anyway. I didn't know anything about maps. I didn't particularly want that job, but it meant a lot more money for me. So nobody applied for the job. I applied for it. Betty Gay interviewed me. And, you know, despite the fact that Betty is always portrayed as the scary tyrant, she kind of liked me. Was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1676.3,1788.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e she the director of Central Library then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1788.18,1790.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e She was. She was assistant when Wyman Jones was there. And Wyman left in 1990. So I'm a map librarian in 89. Wyman retires in 90. The Wyman Jones retirement is on YouTube now if you ever want to see it. And now the maps are in order. I apply for the job. They give it to me. And I realize I don't know shit. I, you know, I'm looking at this big, all these complicated stuff, all these initials, and I don't even know what they do, you know? I mean, why is this AMS? Why is this DM? You know, what does that mean? What's NOAA mean? The very first staff meeting we have, Bettye Ellison, that's another story right there, staff meetings. Bettye Ellison asked me what scale is, and I don't know. I'm the map librarian. I don't know what scale is. So I just had to, see, the thing about being the map librarian, the job that I always had is, you always had to do it on the side. I had to be a full-time reference librarian just like everybody else and have this collection I was responsible for. So I would say at Spring Street I just started pulling drawers open and every time I was on like a reference desk I'd have a truck and I just look at these things and seeing okay, what's this? This is you know, and you couldn't sit Google stuff and say what's NOAA? Hey, what does that mean? What does that do? I didn't know what was domestic, what's international, you know, why is this called peg? Why is this, how much coverage of these Vietnam maps that we got, they were given to us by UCLA. And then I would also call on the telephone several map librarians and I'd ask them questions. See Dorothy, I couldn't do it, she was in Florida. And then of course while this is happening, people are asking me questions. And to answer their questions, I start learning about my collection. And then one day, I ran into the pictorials, and it was like seeing that. It's like seeing Brady Potts hit a double with a cigarette in his mouth and holding the beer with one arm. You know he's the one. Then I saw, I said, you know what? I really like this. I really like it. This is something I can really sink my teeth into this map librarian stuff. Can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1790.42,1980.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e you say a little bit about the pictorials?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1980.72,1983.7"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, for some reason, Central collected a lot of pictorial maps that are graphic. The stress is not on their geographic accuracy, it's on expressing ideas, sometimes with cartoon figures, sometimes just graphic art. They're very engaging and the ones that I ran into is the Jo Mora maps. So they're just, I'm still in love with Joe Mora's stuff. And I just thought that they did something that no other map did. They give you the feeling, the idea behind this map. And almost, let's see if that was, okay. So from that point on, this is like 90. At this point, at the end of our time in Spring Street, they empty the building out. Now they tell us, okay, the librarians won't have to do, shelve anything, because when we, when we left, the burnedout Central and we went to Spring Street, I shelved every single book in the History collection. And I had a broken finger. Me and Jose Pais, me and Teresa Gonzalez, I shelved every single book. And Rolando Pasquinelli was the supervisor of all these shelving crews. And so, and I'm telling you, it was exhausting. You would go home at night and you could hardly move. But I would be assigned, so one day I'd be, I was a shelving supervisor and I'd have a crew of like eight people. We'd shelve books in Social Science or we'd do them in Science or wherever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=1983.7,2119.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was shelving the books at Spring Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2119.82,2122.36"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e So they told us we wouldn't. Yeah, no, that was in Spring Street. But they told us because that was such a grueling thing, you know, the t-shirt, \"Move-in Confusion?\" Okay. Then they said no librarians are gonna have to do this. No. So at the end of Spring Street, they close the building and they start putting all the books on trucks and stuff. And I get sent to Rio Vista to take all of the Herald Examiner photos and put them in archival envelopes and boxes. So that's my job. I'm the supervisor there. And I was the kind of supervisor workers like, because you didn't have to be there on time and you got to leave early. And you had donuts every day. So we were there and we had a lot of fun and you know, there was all kinds of things about that experience that were interesting because you, when you got to work with photos, you'd start seeing a history of LA, and that's another story. And I wrote a big story about it that's in a magazine called \"Public Historian.\" So when all this stuff's happening I'm writing stuff still I'm sort of chronicling you know the stuff that happened at Central. Anyway to move forward - when we when we leave when we finally leave Spring Street and the maps were just in This big vault that was at the Title Insurance Building. So now we get over there and we get to the new building we had literally had three days, you know, because that's the other thing they said. They told the public when we were gonna open it we weren't even near ready, you know, it was a complete rodeo. But we were so excited, you know, to be back. We were like, \"Whatever, let's just do it. Let's open it up.\" It wasn't any...nobody was unhappy with it. But at any rate, very first thing I did when I got there was I got an exhibit because I was so jazzed by these pictorial maps. I just couldn't wait for people to see them. So we had, I had an exhibit, I think it was 95, we finally did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2122.36,2281.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e How many exhibitions were you involved with and with the map collection and everything at Central?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2281.82,2289.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I think about seven or eight. The big one of course was LA Unfolded, but I did a couple of other ones in the gallery on this floor. I did a pictorial, did one about LA, California and the world, that's the first one. That was with this guy named Lane Barden, who is the biggest jerk you've ever seen, to work with. Maybe he's a great guy, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2289.24,2323.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm curious to jump ahead to that, to the LA Unfolded exhibition because that was a that was a big deal. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2323.98,2332.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e How did that happen and kind of talk about that story. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2332.66,2336.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e see I see the whole thing I took the whole thing to me is all about Gloria Gerace. Gloria Gerace, the library hired her as Director of Exhibits and stuff. So she was looking around for stuff that, you know, within the library. And I thought she was adorable. I mean, I thought, first I thought, you know, that she would have been great girlfriend material, except that she was very, very happily married to a kind of a wealthy hospital administrator. Anyway, Gloria, just a great person. I love Gloria. And she, you know, I took her back, I opened the drawers up and I said, \"Look at all this great stuff, it's just sitting in here, nobody can see it.\" You know? So then, I gave her the stuff and she made a fantastic exhibit. You know, she, it was really so much her. And that was also the same time that Ry Cooder had come in. So we got Ry Cooder involved and we had quotes on the wall. And one of the quotes was from him. And it was suddenly maps were kind of like, kind of trendy and groovy and everything. So and then because of that exhibit that's how I ended up, you know once you have an exhibit then you have to do some speaking things. You go out and thump the tub a little bit and I got Bob Pool at the LA Times to write about, well he wrote about the original exhibit, the pictorials, so then when this one came out I knew Bob Pool, and he also wrote about the Feathers thing. So in doing, in thumping the tub for LA Unfolded I end up speaking before the committee you know these are the ladies the power ladies of the LA Library Foundation. And as it turns out, one of those ladies was married to a Rizzoli editor. And that's how the book happened. You know, just good fortune, you know? You know, I mean, the stars were all aligned that I could run into somebody as talented and intelligent as Gloria Gerace. I have this fantastic collection that's other people protected and created, you know, that I appreciate. And then I run into all this chunk of money to do a book and then all the lots of other things came out of that. So yeah. It was so easy to work with Gloria too, although we did have we did have a spat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2336.72,2522.14"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2522.14,2523.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e She got interviewed by the Downtown News and I didn't like the fact that I wasn't involved, you know. But there was a good reason. And I also dedicated the book to her and my mom. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2523.94,2537.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2537.28,2540.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So during your time at LAPL, in what ways did it change? And in what ways did it stay the same?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2540.58,2550.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the ways that it changed is pretty straightforward. When I started, and I won't go through the rotary phones and all that, the idea was Central Library was a research library. So we helped the branches, we answered their questions. 90% of our collection wasn't in a reading room where the patrons could go to pluck it off the shelf. It was in this beehive of stacks that you would have to go find. You battled with trying to keep things current, like your card files. And you know, we know now that a lot of books disappear, like a percentage of the books, but you never knew that. When you're dealing with cards, you don't know that. So believe it or not, the way you determined if something was missing, you collected the p-slips with the call numbers on them when it would come back not on shelf, and you'd keep those. And then you'd look through them and say, oh wait, that's not on the shelf about five times. So then you know it's gone. And they're literally that dusty books thing. That was, that's, it started as the real deal, you know, there was the dusty books. But see, working in History, it wasn't, we weren't throwing stuff away. It wasn't like we had a bunch of old, although like we had like geography textbooks and things like that. Far less weeding. But the fact that we had this serious goal to be a reference collection where writers and scholars would come and we would take books, reference books out and give them to them and they'd sit at a table and take notes all day long. And you know we had a constant battle with the studios trying to steal stuff. And then, you know, there was like the travel books that was like sort of like in fiction. There was like a section of Barbara Cartwright or something like that. Of course, you would, MJ [Campbell] wouldn't even think of touching such a thing. But over the years, from being this reference collection that started - and then by the way, that meant you buy a circ copy of a book, you also bought a ref copy of it. So, that starts to fade away a little bit. We leave after The Fire and then we lose so much stuff. I think in a lot of cases that a lot of the old librarians, they just couldn't even bear it. They couldn't bear to think about stuff that they knew was lost. Because I know for the History Department, we took all of our folios and a lot of these folios were you know full of like color lithographs and they were special bindings and you know and almost all those were they weren't burned but the water came down and soaked them and then they were ruined. They couldn't, you couldn't open them. And that also meant a lot of atlases. You know, you know what's in the folios. So, in some cases the librarians don't, they didn't even want to think about that. But it's a lot of those things, there were these books called Nuttall, and they were these beautiful engravings. I think a lot of them survived, but materials like that, where people from art directors, from studios, set directors, and things like that, they would come in to look at those. Or they would come in to look at Curtis Indian Plates or Audubon prints and things like that. I mean, you especially would have just been in bliss to see the old cookbook collection. It was just fantastic, all gone. But that attitude that we were, maybe not as good as New York Public, but we were like them. You know, we were we were the West Coast, New York Public. And. We weren't-you know, Central really wasn't a -you know, the kind of place where you know you would tourists would come and walk around in. I mean the rotunda was always fantastic and I you know my department was right the rotunda was right there. But everything is filthy, dirty floors hadn't been cleaned in decades, you know. People were sitting at their desks smoking cigarettes. And the patrons were different too, you know. They were more characters than criminals. There was some bad people in there, but there were some tragic cases. We had nicknames for them and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2550.92,2926.06"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there any patron interactions that you remember over the years as being favorites?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2926.06,2932.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, yeah definitely. Well I mean this is one that's not, it's not cute. It's just, it just shows you,-you know, I think I've something I wrote for a blog. It was this woman that I really liked her name was, I'm blanking out, Eileen... anyway, I used to kid her because I knew she hated Nixon. So I'd tell her, \"Oh, we got that new Nixon biography, can I get it for you?\" And that kind of stuff, you know. And she like, and so she was kind of, you know, her clothes kind of smelled like thrift store and she lived in The Engstrom, you know, which was a hotel that went before Bunker Hill went down completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2932.3,2990.5"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you scoot up a bit? I think we're losing you. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2990.5,2993.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e all right. So The Fire happened and she writes me a letter and I write her a letter back and saying, \"You know, don't worry about it, don't worry about the books. You know, you're not gonna get fined for them, you know, it'll all be worked out.\" So she moved from there and the letter came back to, and I also criticized Administration in the letter, and the letter came back and it was put on Betty Gay's desk. Betty Gay read it, and I got disciplined for that. Anyway, so she, I just said, \"You know, my daughter's turning three. If you, you know, you're invited to the birthday party if you want to come.\" And I never thought she would ever come, you know. Normally you'd never invite a patron to your house. I'm trying to get things ready, the party, my mom's there and everything. This is when I lived in Los Feliz. I was married. And this big checkered cab pulls up in front and here she gets out. So we had an old piano in the front room, no one ever played, you know, typical thing. So I'm trying to get stuff done and I start hearing this Chopin being played. And I go upstairs and there she is. She's sitting there at the piano playing a Chopin Mazurka. And there's people standing around listening. So it was just like this great moment where a patron showed her, you know, we don't know their stories, you know? So I mean, that's another thing about the old Central, the things that changed is that you had a little more of a relationship with the patrons. You know, you weren't so disconnected, you know, where they're just, they're computer messages or they're text messages or something like that, you know. You actually would know them, you know, if you saw them on the street you could say hello to them and which might be a good thing and not a good thing. Like Leah, the woman I told you is the Native American specialist, she had one patron who was smitten with her, and she came home and he'd left her a half gallon of ice cream. It was no longer ice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=2993.6,3168.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3168.42,3172.78"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e But just to finish the thought is that we went from being research library to becoming a circulating library, to becoming a lot of books for teens. And, you know, we got dumbed down. We got dumbed down and we got, I mean, the stuff's still there for serious researchers, but it's just, it's not really known, you know, that old style of research. It's certainly known by serious writers, but not that many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3172.78,3217.42"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So next I have some questions about just different periods in LAPL history. You've mentioned The Fire a bit already, but just to talk about that, since you were working here at Central Library when The Fire happened in April 1986, what were you doing when you heard about it? And what do you remember about when you heard Central Library was on fire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3217.42,3248.72"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was on late shift, so when I arrived at 10:30 or something like that, they weren't letting people in the building and there was some fire trucks out there. I didn't think it was any big deal. You know, I figured, you know, we had had experiences where somebody threw a cigarette butt in a trash can or something, you know, and there was smoke. I mean, people constantly were talking about what a fire trap it was. So I went, I crossed the street and I was on that pedestrian bridge that goes from like the Arco Towers over to the Bonaventure. And I started seeing there was white smoke coming out of the windows there, you know, like where the Patents Room was, and I said, oh look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3248.72,3308.4"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually we can even move that closer. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3308.4,3310.64"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3310.64,3310.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e want to lean back there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3310.68,3313.74"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, \"Oh look, they've elected a Pope.\" You know, I got a little laugh from the people around me. And then I started thinking, wait a minute, that means paper's burning, that's not good. So they weren't gonna let us in, so they told the staff, you can go home. So I was like, OK. So I went home. I picked up my wife and little Katya. And we went to a thrift store called Value Village. We used to go there. We we like to go and walk around so, you know we were in Value Village and we come home and we walk into the bedroom and turn the TV on and here's Central Library and there's flames leaping out of the - and I just burst into tears. So that night they let us... They let us go in. And we weren't gonna do anything, we just were gonna look and see what happened. And I remember feeling like, this isn't so bad, you know, because you could see the walls and everything, they weren't caved in or anything but there was you know like this water on the ground everywhere you know a couple of inches deep and in some cases we you know, I'm on the second floor, it's gonna seep it's gonna keep doing that and in our collection The Fire just kind of ate through a hole in the collection. So if you look in the biography section, the 92s, you'll see, to this day, if you went and you looked at 92 G for Gandhi, you'll see there's a lot of fire damage books there. So it came right through that section. So there's yellow tape up all over the place and of course I run into Roy, so Roy and I are hanging out together and we get a hold of a flashlight and we duck under the tape and we run up the little metal stairs up to... For","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3313.74,3468.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e posterity's sake, this is Roy Stone? Roy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3468.96,3471.16"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Stone. And it is so black. You've never seen anything like it. It's so black, you cannot see anything. And it's completely charred. That's the center of the fire was right there. So this sounds like it's made up, but this is true and we had no idea what was there. So I go like this and I pull a chunk off of the shelf and it's a book called \"Universal Baseball Association J. Henry Waugh Esquire.\" One of my favorite books by Robert Coover. You know, I didn't know that. I pulled out this chunk and I opened it up and there it is. So I have that framed in my house. I have the page, the frontispiece. Now I know, uh-oh, this is horrible. So the next day, we couldn't get in there or do anything. Then the next day, that's when it got serious. That's when the staff went in and the volunteers started showing up and then it was complete, complete misery and chaos and people crying and, you know, then people, you know, just digging in and, you know, staying there for 12 hours and, you know, no masks, no nothing, you know, you're breathing in all this mold and soot and ash and everything. And I've said this many times, the men were the hardest workers. Because I remember Chris Bocek, who was married to Dan Dupill. Man that woman was, you wouldn't be able to keep up with her. And they typically had, the things that I was involved in, the process was, they were pulling books off the shelf into boxes. Those boxes are loaded onto dollies. That's where I was a dolly guy. So the women are doing, that's the worst part though, is pulling them off the shelf. They're pulling them off shelf in the boxes, they're putting them on the dollies. I push the dolly to the top of the stairs where like Lady Wisdom is, and there's platform plywood to tape down, and you just dump them, and they slide down. And at the bottom, they're putting them on pallets and then they're wrapping this plastic over them. So that's the system. But then there's a lot of in-and-outs to that. There's places where it's not books. It could be LPs. It could be... The Magazine Pool, which was a mess anyway, sorry, was problematic because it suffered a lot of the damage. And there's all kinds of stuff up there. And the Magazine Pool was run by Miss Williams, which was, she was just one woman. And she had very little help. It took forever to get stuff from the Magazine Pool. So It's no different than New York Public. You know, it wasn't like you didn't go and pull out microfilm for people. You had to go and bring hard copy, and that included newspapers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3471.16,3704.48"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So after The Fire, every single piece of material in the building was taken out of the building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3704.48,3713.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not the reading room so much. It's the stacks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3713.0,3718.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, the stacks. So the reading rooms, the material was just left on the shelves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3718.04,3723.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and that's what then that's why the second fire in Art that's why that was so devastating because that burned up all of their all the room stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3723.58,3733.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. How long did it take to get everything cleared out? Was it days or weeks or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3733.26,3739.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, the volunteers, this is sort of a sore point because the volunteers were great. They were really, they really, we couldn't have done anything without them. And it really got the whole city behind us, the library. But they were there for like two weeks and then we were there, picking up pieces and everybody's so depressed, you know, because you're not a librarian anymore. You're, you know, I mean, part of being a librarian is your, you know, your patrons are telling you how great you are, you know, you have that satisfaction, you answer that question that no one could figure out. So, you know, now you're just in this unheated, un-air-conditioned, dismal, filthy. You know, the air, there's exposed asbestos, there's, you know, mold and ash and soot everywhere, you're breathing it. And then the city says, you can file a workers' compensation and workers' compensation refuses everything. So it, I have to say you know to be truthful there was there was very damaging psychologically to all these people. A lot of marriages went, mine, for example. A lot of people started drinking on the job. And it was just very hard on people. And I think people that...there wasn't like this seamless transition where there was The Fire and then people went over to Rio Vista where at least they had each other. You know, because I lasted two days at Rio Vista, but I and I talked too much. What's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3739.54,3865.04"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Rio Vista?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3865.04,3866.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Rio Vista was a warehouse behind the old Sears building over there on Boyle Street. And that's where the library's, a lot of the staff moved there. And they did certain things, you know, I like to think of it, we just sat there and made red check marks for two years. You know, it was just busy work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3866.2,3890.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e But that's where the books went?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3890.66,3892.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e The books went into warehouses. So the books went to Anderson Street, and they went to, the furniture went to a warehouse on 9th. I also was there. What a job that was. It was just sitting in a cold warehouse on two folding chairs with another guy you had to make. I was in there with like Frank Louck or Dan Dupill. We just sat there all day long trying to make small talk. It's like somebody's gonna break in and steal some library chairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3892.86,3931.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So you were guarding it, right? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3931.68,3934.6"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3934.6,3935.32"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you, did you end up being redeployed to a branch at some point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3935.32,3941.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. After nine months of being in the old building, and I had a lot of lung problems and I had a pulmonary specialist. I had bronchitis, it wouldn't go away. I went to Rio Vista for two days and Linda Moussa said, \"Be quiet, you know, don't talk.\" So then I asked, could I be sent to a branch? And sort of halfway punishment, they sent me to, I lived in Los Feliz and they sent me to West LA and it turned out to be fantastic, great staff, excellent library, had a blast there. I hated to leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3941.68,3991.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e How long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3991.96,3993.68"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I was there from - two and a half years, 87 to 89, somewhere in there. You know, I came back when Spring Street, and also you didn't go straight back to Spring Street either, you went to the processing center which is next door and that was like the most worst, drudgerous stuff you could imagine. People sat at tables and they they wiped the books with sponges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=3993.68,4028.0"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Eight hours a day? Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4028.0,4030.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e And there was a water cooler and a microwave for the entire staff. And there was…anyway, then when we…from there, then we went to Spring Street. And then we had to shelve all the books before we could move in there. And Spring Street had all these logistical problems because everything was open. So the patrons could wander around. They were constantly finding people having sex in the restrooms and staff restrooms or walking around in the closed stacks. You know, and we didn't... Well, it's a dangerous, dangerous neighborhood too. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4030.96,4081.22"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e and you were at Spring Street from 89 until... 89","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4081.22,4084.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e to 93.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4084.44,4085.54"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Were you involved in any of the fundraising efforts, you know, Save the Books, the walk-a-thons, the telethons during that time period?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4085.54,4102.92"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what - I didn't do - like Pat Spencer and Sheila Nash both did, talked for Save the Books. I didn't do that. I always did walk-a-thon and I organized walk-a-thon and I even won the t-shirt contest one year. People submitted designs for the t-shirts, which is a small thing compared to Save the Books. And the telethon, I was with Pat Spencer. I have a picture of us sitting on the phones. But I was not there the night that Reverend Scott supposedly raised a million dollars. And Lod Cook was dancing and there supposedly are pictures of this. Betty Gay was there on the phone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4102.92,4167.18"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was your role in the lead-up to Central Library reopening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4167.18,4173.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I was at Granada Hills Library so I was I let's say in, there's a lot of other little things like I was on committees to create tours, like walking tours. We wanted to have it like where you get these headphones and put them on and it would tell you things about... So, I did those for Spring Street with Sylva Manoogian and others and those were supposedly to be used when they put together that big brochure. I don't know that that happened, but I really was not released from Granada Hills until three days before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4173.34,4228.2"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry, when did you end up at Granada Hills?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4228.2,4230.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in Granada Hills for like, after the project at Rio Vista where we did the historic photos, we finished that project and then there was still going to be two to three months before we reopen. But then somebody in administration said we're going to open on October 13th or whatever it was. So then it was like, that's why LL4 is jerry-rigged. All the electrical system, they just stuck things in and you know, and it leaks, you know. But at any rate, yeah, I was at Granada Hills two and a half, three months, and then there was this, \"Okay, we're going to reopen in three days.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4230.34,4291.86"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you work on reopening day or did you go? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4291.86,4294.84"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I got my name in the LA Times because I kissed the ground. And the Biltmore made this fantastic buffet and that's the first thing I saw. I'm charging up, I'm charging up Fifth Street, you know, I'm so happy we're going into the building and yeah. I mean it was it was just such a glorious day. It was just one of the greatest days of my life. And as I turn the corner, you know, as you turn the corner, you go to the 5th Street door, here's this homeless guy with a crusty old beard and all his hair is all messed up. He's got a plate and it's like this. Scrambled eggs, bacon, you know, a couple of croissants on there. Anyway, that it was really, it was really a lot of fun and then, you know, you can see on Huell Howser, you see how many people there were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4294.84,4360.24"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e So to jump forward a decade and a half. The next period I wanted to ask you about was the financial downturn from 2009 to 2011. So in 2009, the library froze sub-time and experienced a mass retirement in response to the financial downturn. There was a cut back in public hours. Do you recall how your position was impacted due to the staff shortages and just what it was like during that time? That was when we worked together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4360.24,4394.96"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well it was really disheartening. You know, I think I said before, I started seeing these young, really bright librarians, yourself included, and Carmen, guys like Mark Horton. And I'm thinking, you know, it's great that we're getting some good people, you know? We're not... Because I'd seen the other side. I'd seen some that weren't so great. And then boom, The rug's pulled out from under us, you know? And it's like you just get exhausted hearing this bullshit about libraries are obsolete, you know? We don't need libraries and all this. And every time that happens, the libraries just sort of reinvent themselves. The foundation is there. It's such an important cultural asset for Los Angeles and a great tradition. I mean, the thing is people just don't realize the value. So, I mean, I'm not trying to sell you, you already know all this stuff, but it's very disheartening when that happened. And you know, I had seen it in the early 90s. I almost lost my job because of budget cuts and somebody helped me out a part-time retired so I could keep my job. And I saw this in the 90s where we lost half our serials because we had to cut everything, you know. And that has been a slow attrition that continued to when I retired. We just kept losing things, losing things. You never get them back. You lose positions. You don't get them back. Even the History Department used to have a Senior Librarian in charge of genealogy. You know, the great Michael Kirley. And they made him take a pay cut. You know, and Michael loved genealogy, so he took it. He became a Librarian III. That's not fair. And the jobs, as you know, you did it. It's a very difficult job. So, yeah, it's... And then, like, when we were fighting for Prop L [Measure L], it's another it's a frustrating thing it's like, can't you see how important this how much more important this is you know than having more police on the street? If you have this, you don't have to have them as many, but that's a very unpopular idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4394.96,4595.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. One of the, sort of, the periods of, that were very disruptive times in in LAPL history, like The Fire, the recession, and then the third one is, of course, the 2020 pandemic. So in March 2020 the library system shut down and sent its staff home due to the COVID-19 pandemic. What were your last few days at the library like before the shutdown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4595.38,4634.44"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, at that point, I still had absolutely no desire to retire. I had stuff in front of me that I wanted to accomplish. And I always loved the job, and I had a good department around me, a good Senior. But I had this really dumb idea that I hope I get COVID because then I'll be immune. You know, I mean, I just didn't understand what it all was about. But I think I've told you this, that of all the stuff that I've seen at the library, this is the worst. COVID's the worst. I mean, maybe not for me personally, but for the LAPL, by far, even worse than The Fire. When we had the fire, the branches picked up the slack, you know. Hollywood did a lot more. West LA did a lot more, you know. The Valley, they just didn't have access to Central's collection. But the library, it stayed alive. This thing just killed us. And then, you know, it's been so hard to get it going again. So, it was awful. It was a total surprise to me when Cindy [McNaughton] said, \"Okay, everybody, we're going to go home.\" And at first it was like, oh, it's a vacation. We thought we were going to be gone for two weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4634.44,4737.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Did you come back when they started doing curbside service?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4737.66,4747.82"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was kind of fun in that I got a whole bunch of stuff done. I got a whole bunch of stuff done about the Feathers Collection, because there was, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4747.82,4762.66"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e All the- Yeah, there were no people in the building. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4762.66,4764.28"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, we were still answering email questions and stuff, but I couldn't, you know, a lot of my job was always showing people maps and saying this and that about the maps. Yeah, I still, you know, as you know, I still have dreams that I'm supposed to be on the desk. But I do stuff on my own now. Nobody's making me look at these maps, but I can't stop. Stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4764.28,4799.62"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I literally love them now. And so that's something I learned. I guess that's like when people are married for a long time, they learn to love each other again, you know, for different reasons, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4799.62,4820.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Well, I'm at the end of the questions here, but that seems like a strange place to end. Just looking back over your career, what are some, any highlights that you want to mention or just memories that sort of encapsulate what it meant to be a librarian at LAPL?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4820.94,4854.3"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I think to be a librarian at Central, it was like being, living in a little village, you know. That you got to know people, you got to know about their family, you got to know about the names of their cats, or their dogs, or their kids. You might run into them at a show or something like that, you know, and you make friends for a lifetime. You know, because I have a lifetime friend that I met at West LA. I have lifetime friends that I met at Central. I still have Paula as my good friend who I met at Culver City Library as a, you know. And we have that in common. I remember being at a very sort of a very hip party in Ojai. Everybody there's an artist or a musician or artist or something. The whole party stopped while people shot subject matters at Sheila Nash and I and we gave them the call numbers. So they're like, Vietnam, 959.7. India, 954. So, you know, when I started as a librarian, I was a little embarrassed about it because it's kind of like guys who are nurses, you know, it's like more of a women's thing. But by the end of the last 15 years, I got real, real proud of being a librarian. And today, it's great for me that when people say, \"Oh, you're retired, what did you do?\" And I can say, I was a librarian. They always go, oh. It's like if I said I was a CEO or I was a hedge fund manager, nobody gives a damn about that. So, you know, they'll probably - you know - if I won't have a tombstone, but if I had one, it might say that on it. You know, because I mean, when you do something for 42 years, I guess that means you are one of those, so. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=4854.3,5017.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think, you told me once, you said, \"Hold your head up high and tell people you work for the city of Los Angeles.\" Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5017.58,5025.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e I did that a few times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5025.58,5028.34"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think about that a lot. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5028.34,5030.98"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e And I also, I tell people all the time, the advice you gave me of, I think I was trying to get my collection totally sorted out in the History Department in the first six months I was working there. You said, \"Mary, it's a marathon, not a sprint.\" I think about that all the time too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5030.98,5050.26"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e And unfortunately I never finished it either. I still think about, I still think about, I wish that I could at least get all that Feathers stuff. It's still, two thirds of it's still just...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5050.26,5067.94"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5067.94,5068.58"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody asked me any questions. It's very frustrating, you know? But see, hopefully if this thing works out this week, I'll be focused on, I don't know what it'll be like to do research without being here. Because this is such a great place to. When I wrote my book, I could go and grab a vertical file, or I could look at Kimball or something like that. Although, if they ever take Ancestry off the databases, it'll kill me. I use it so much now. Not always for good purposes either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5068.58,5118.8"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, is there anything else you want to say in closing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5118.8,5126.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGlen Creason:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I just think, you know, just to make a hallmark card of it, I think it's a rare thing that a person is able to have their life's work, their job, something that they liked, that they didn't just like, they loved. And you know, that they had fun, they were around quality people, they never stopped learning, you know, that gave them opportunities that they had never had. You know, to me, I owe so much to LAPL, you know, it's even though I gripe about it all the time, you know, it still do, and always will, you know, but still I just, I just have so much gratitude. And you know, I mean the whole, my whole life is like that. I was so lucky that I had a father like I had. My mother was a loving mother, got a great brother, two excellent sisters, and a daughter that made my hair white. But she's not boring, I'll say that for her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920#t=5126.38,5209.38"},{"id":"https://lapl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2368/collection_resources/128251/file/239920/transcript/66806/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMary McCoy:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. 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